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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:46 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:46 am to
So just opinion pieces from the usual suspects and nothing credible

I figured but maybe thats what Vlad was thinking
Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 7:59 am to
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Is there a link for this or just made up?









Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:02 am to
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Reuters - Russia won't demand immediate switch to rouble gas payments, Kremlin says
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March 30 (Reuters) - Russia will not immediately demand that buyers pay for its gas exports in roubles, the Kremlin said on Wednesday, promising a gradual shift and saying Russia should work on an idea to widen the list of its exports requiring rouble payment.

So Europe doesn't "bend the knee" on March 31st. (Selling gas to Europe is 30%+ of Russian GDP)

I cannot believe how weak Russia's position is. Short of a massive lifeline from China - which would endanger Chinese access to China's beloved European markets - I can't see them having any path to prosperity.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:04 am to
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TexasForever




Posted by TigerAttorney
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 8:18 am to
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Yes. That’s exactly what Russia tried to do. Don’t forget, they thought the Ukrainians would drop their arms and greet them as liberators.


And they had a build up of forces over a 10+ month period on the boarder and somehow didn’t think about making sure their supply line was logistical organized? They brought tanks and trucks by train thousands to the border, staged bases, Biden even said the week before the invasion they had brought in large quantities of blood, the amount you need on hand before conflict, but somehow they forgot that fuel and food needs to be supplied to a convoy of vehicles and personnel 40km long heading straight for Kyiv?

Just my opinion, when they came from Belarus they had wishful thinking they wouldn’t get resistance. They paused the convoy, saw the amount of anti tank and stinger missiles that were coming in and adjusted. Yes the Ukrainians put up a fight and hit supply lines. When the Russians got to the suburbs of Kyiv they paused again. Didn’t proceed now they are consolidating in the east.

They have 150,000 troops spread across 3 fronts. Significant percentage were draftees. They don’t have air dominance or don’t want to risk losing assets to obtain it due to the weapons and AA provided by US. Don’t want to lose assets on the ground due to the javelins so they hang back and indiscriminately blast population centers with artillery.

Put in perspective, initial phase of Iraqi Freedom was roughly 180,000 troops on two parallel fronts from the south to Baghdad. Shock and awe took out all of the air defenses. There were no anti air and anti tank shoulder fired missile systems as effective as the stinger and javelin to worry about. (Did lose assets from RPG but nowhere near the effectiveness.

Took us a month to take Baghdad and if you knew anyone that was in the second battle of Fallujah, the urban warfare was not pretty. And that’s a city of less than 400,000.

Only way they took Kyiv was if the population embraced them. Again I don’t condone or support anything that Russia is doing, but if they do succeed in the east and south specially Odessa. The geographical isolation of Kyiv would effectively leave Zelensky another mayor of Kyiv. In close proximity to a nation controlled by Putin.

TLDR

There is no good end to this or win for the Ukrainian people and that is the real tragedy.
Posted by TBoy
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 9:48 am to
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I cannot believe how weak Russia's position is.

This entire adventure into Ukraine was a massive tactical failure. Bombing Ukrainian cities to dust and killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians won't make Russia's position any better.
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:01 am to
Then what’s going on in eastern Ukraine which has been silent for a while? I’m sure if Russia lost a single soldier their the western media would happily report it?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 10:48 am to
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They have 150,000 troops spread across 3 fronts. Significant percentage were draftees. They don’t have air dominance or don’t want to risk losing assets to obtain it due to the weapons and AA provided by US. Don’t want to lose assets on the ground due to the javelins so they hang back and indiscriminately blast population centers with artillery.

Put in perspective, initial phase of Iraqi Freedom was roughly 180,000 troops on two parallel fronts from the south to Baghdad. Shock and awe took out all of the air defenses. There were no anti air and anti tank shoulder fired missile systems as effective as the stinger and javelin to worry about. (Did lose assets from RPG but nowhere near the effectiveness.

Took us a month to take Baghdad

We captured Baghdad a capital city thousands of miles from our border in three weeks. Allied forces were mobilized far from home; yet they delivered a decisive blow and devastated the enemy.

Contrast that with Russia who is attacking a neighboring country with positions on three sides. The fact that Russia hasn’t been able to dominate there smaller neighbor after months of planning is shocking really.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:17 am to
You are spot on.

The biggest takeaway from all of this is how poorly Russia's military has performed at ALL levels.

From top to bottom the Russian Military has performed miserably. They have made gains through sheer numbers but at a horrific cost to themselves.

There are a lot of reasons:
1) Hubris
2) Poor operational level planning
3) Poor tactical execution (armor used without infantry support)
4) Poor communications
5) Poor training at the troop level
6) Poor logistics management
7) Poor situational awareness
8) Inability to obtain Air Superiority
9) Not enough troops (Typically you want at least a 3 to 1 superiority in numbers when attacking)
10) Poor intelligence

I can't think of a single facet of warfare where the Russian military has performed well. They only made significant gains in the opening days of the war, once Ukraine started mounting a defense, there hasn't been much forward progress in total. There have been some localized gains but even those have not been fast.

Can anyone point to anything the Russian Military has done well in this war?
Posted by Syntax
FL390
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:22 am to
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Can anyone point to anything the Russian Military has done well in this war?


They shat the bed, they’ve done that very well.

All the rooskie/Puke’n boot lickers here can chomp on a big turd burger for their complete miscalculation. Ukraine isn’t winning since their country is in shambles but Russia is losing worse.
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:27 am to
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Can anyone point to anything the Russian Military has done well in this war?


They're winning the turret throwing contest. The problem is it's their turrets.

Also, they've stumbled upon a cheap way to dispose of aging equipment.
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:32 am to
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Can anyone point to anything the Russian Military has done well in this war?
They've done a great job of resupplying the Ukrainian Armed Forces with armored vehicles.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:43 am to
The president of South Ossetia released a video, stating Ossetias intention to become part of the Russian Federation.

Ossetians are an ethnic minority that were largely pushed into Georgia in the 19th century (IIRC) because of war with Imperial Russia. Large numbers of Ossetians still live across the border in what is now the RF though.

The South Ossetians use Russia as their imperial protector. If Russia wasn’t involved, the Georgians would take the territory, and Georgianize it.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 11:51 am to
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We captured Baghdad a capital city thousands of miles from our border in three weeks. Allied forces were mobilized far from home; yet they delivered a decisive blow and devastated the enemy.


The US dropped more ordinance on Iraq in 1 week than Russia has in 1 month.

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:06 pm to
We flew 1,000 plus sorties a day. The Russians are only flying 140 by comparison.
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:07 pm to
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Contrast that with Russia who is attacking a neighboring country with positions on three sides. The fact that Russia hasn’t been able to dominate there smaller neighbor after months of planning is shocking really.


That kool aid must be sweet
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:12 pm to
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We flew 1,000 plus sorties a day. The Russians are only flying 140 by comparison.


They literally think it’s a video game lol. If Russia is doing so badly then why isn’t Zelensky publicly calling it out and demanding surrender? So far I see the exact opposite like pleading for no fly zones, dropping the possibility of joining NATO, and etc. This does not sound like the position of a winner to me.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26929 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:38 pm to
Ukrainians remember the 5 to 6 million of their grand fathers or great grand fathers generation who Moscow starved to death while Moscow was exporting grain for cash. They also remember the 5 to 6 million more who were "exiled" never to be seen again.

Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8186 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:45 pm to
Palmetto,

Could you explain your position on Russia, your posts certainly seem to deride anything positive about the Ukranian's.

Why?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42763 posts
Posted on 3/30/22 at 12:50 pm to
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Contrast that with Russia who is attacking a neighboring country with positions on three sides. The fact that Russia hasn’t been able to dominate there smaller neighbor after months of planning is shocking really.


That kool aid must be sweet


Those are facts. I’m not saying Russia is losing, I’m just commenting about just how poorly the Russian military is performing.
There was a time in my lifetime that we feared the Russian Bear and their tanks sweeping west from behind the iron curtain and steamrolling NATO. That army is long gone.
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