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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:00 pm to lowspark12
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:00 pm to lowspark12
quote:Yes, we did. Our military rolled theirs. Same thing in Vietnam, we smoked them in actual conflicts.quote:
I'm talking actual combat situations.
Using this logic, the US ‘won’ Afghanistan and Iraq.
I get what you're saying- but I'm avoiding the political angles. Or the big, overall "what did we seek to gain" angle.
I'm talking actual, troop vs troop engagement, the Russians are winning. They are moving their forces to where they want, and the Ukrainians are getting pushed back.
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:25 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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There is no history under Putin of doing this. They are going to flatten cities even though they could. It also makes no sense to do this if you are trying to win people over. They are making public statements on top of that not to do it. It also aligns with what is happening on the ground.
Russia has launched more than 710 missiles against Ukraine since its attack on the country began two weeks ago and the Pentagon has seen indications Kremlin forces are also dropping so-called dumb bombs, a senior U.S. defense official said Wednesday.
"Dumb bombs" are munitions that are not precision-guided and therefore have limited ability to hit targets accurately.
The official said it’s unclear whether Moscow’s use of the dumb bombs is by design or by default due to potential damage to its precision guided capabilities. Nevertheless, the U.S. government is seeing “increasing damage to civilian infrastructure and civilian casualties” with the combined use of bombs and missiles.
Elsewhere in Ukraine, the U.S. sees “no real ground progress to speak to except in a couple of places," the official said.
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:39 pm to dchog
quote:Several NATO members already border Russia & it seems Finland may join after this invasion of Ukraine.
I'm sure they had reasons right or wrong but it is clear they don't want Nato expanding to the point where a Nato member borders Russia
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:08 pm to lowspark12
Defense in depth. That’s why Imperial Russia pushed west, and why Stalin did as well.
A hostile Ukraine was also dangerous.
A hostile Ukraine was also dangerous.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:39 pm to YellaDog
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This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:48 pm to Scoob
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Yes, we did. Our military rolled theirs. Same thing in Vietnam, we smoked them in actual conflicts.
And we still lost both wars
Posted on 3/9/22 at 1:56 pm to TigerIron
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Maybe, but it's worth remembering that everything we think we know about Russia's goals or plans for this war is filtered through the US intelligence agencies and mass media. It's fair to say at a minimum that they have a spin on this and it's in their interest for Americans to think Russia is failing to meet their objectives.
actually some of it was directly from Putin during his one hour rant.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:00 pm to Sooner5030
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:19 pm to Palmetto98
quote:Not militarily, we didn't.quote:
Yes, we did. Our military rolled theirs. Same thing in Vietnam, we smoked them in actual conflicts.
And we still lost both wars
We're using totally different perspectives, it seems. Your concept of "winning" seems to be successful nation-building. I'm talking about military engagements between armed forces.
And the big issue with the Ukraine situation, it remains to be seen what falls out of this. If Russia can leverage a big chunk of land away, especially with ports, strenghtens ties with China and India (bypassing the need to lock in US ties), and forces Europe to concede on the oil and gas issue, while also forcing a future Ukraine to NOT be Western-leaning, this will be a win for them.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:28 pm to Scoob
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We're using totally different perspectives, it seems. Your concept of "winning" seems to be successful nation-building. I'm talking about military engagements between armed forces.
Whatever reality you want to live in, our US government classifies these wars as defeats not victories.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:36 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Russians With Attitude
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Zelensky has signed a law that allows all civilians to carry weapons of war & use them against Russian soldiers
I am curious to what all this entails. Does everyone get machine guns rocket launchers and grenades or what?
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:38 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
It guarantees mayhem. CHAOS!
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:38 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Photo of Russian equipment in Trostyanets, Sumy Oblast, including a Typhoon-K MRAP, trucks, BMP-2, and Tor-M2 air defense 9A331M TLAR.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 2:41 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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Zelensky has signed a law that allows all civilians to carry weapons of war & use them against Russian soldiers
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:23 pm to jatilen
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#BREAKING: Pentagon opposes transfer of Poland's MiG-29s to Ukraine, the potential move is viewed as "high risk," according to Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:29 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
I think it’s ultimately immoral.
There’s no line between soldiers and civilian now.
There’s no line between soldiers and civilian now.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:35 pm to Palmetto98
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Yes, we did. Our military rolled theirs. Same thing in Vietnam, we smoked them in actual conflicts. And we still lost both wars
Just like how Russia will lose this war.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:49 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I think it’s ultimately immoral.
Morality went out the window when the first Russian stepped across the border… you don’t get to pick and choose your morals.
Mass mobilization is the only ways for Ukraine to survive.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:52 pm to lowspark12
Volkssturm aren’t going to win the war.
This just kills more Ukrainian civilians
This just kills more Ukrainian civilians
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 3:57 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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British Army says a "small number" of soldiers disobeyed orders and went absent without leave, possibly to travel to Ukraine - Sky
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