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re: The narrative about cities turning into shite holes

Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:37 pm to
sure, that’s one data point and not at all spread evenly across the city.

if that scares you then don’t come
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:38 pm to
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The city is full of free entertainment.


This is the city these fools are knighting for.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:39 pm to
I listened to a podcast one time. I can’t recall the guest’s name, but he was a guy who spent a lot of time helping the homeless. He was convinced that there are a good number of people you could do everything for and they’d still prefer to live the lifestyle of a homeless person. They would make that choice every time.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:40 pm to
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This is the city these fools are knighting for.
That pic is from NYC, FWIW.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:40 pm to
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This is the city these fools are knighting for.



They will do it here. They won't do it by walking around said city after dark, away from crowds.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 2:56 pm to
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another logical, emotionless response from our male politard cohort.

Nobody is stopping you from opening your own home to the homeless. You can do this at your will immediately. I’m sure you can give all of your excess money to the homeless and leave just enough for you to live on. Nothing is holding you back. Do it. I’m not the one trying to shame and guilt people in here for taking care of their families. Life is hard enough for me. I look at myself first before shaming others.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:23 pm to
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Nobody is stopping you from opening your own home to the homeless.


This is your response to someone saying there aren’t homeless shelters in suburbs so the homeless in those areas must go to cities for shelter and services.

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I’m not the one trying to shame and guilt people in here for taking care of their families.


Nor am I.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:37 pm to
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sure, that’s one data point


NC: "New Orleans has the highest homicide rate in the entire country."

DS: Yeah, okay, but "that’s just one data point."



Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:42 pm to
i don’t think that’s true now, what year was that?

Also what is New Orleans murder rate today vs the mid 90’s?

that some of you think you can out debate me is adorable
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 3:43 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:42 pm to
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not at all spread evenly across the city.


Do you think murder was spread evenly across the city 40 years ago?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:44 pm to
much moreso than it is today by a wide margin
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Smokeyone
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
21137 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:47 pm to
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This is your response to someone saying there aren’t homeless shelters in suburbs so the homeless in those areas must go to cities for shelter and services.


We don’t have permanent homeless shelters because we don’t need a permanent homeless problem. You add shelters and you draw more homeless people. Then you get the pandering, the drug problems, then the well intentioned but poorly thought out programs that turn into tax obligations, and blight.

For people that generally and genuinely don’t want help.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 3:54 pm to
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Is this based primarily on the 5 o'clock action news and people's social media algorithm figuring out that people respond to posts about crime?


I'm not about to read 21 pages of this thread, so if someone else has already said this, oh well.

I think it's based on a few things:

1. When crime was at its worst in America we did not have social media or a couple hundred 24 hour news outlets reporting bad stuff all the time. So there is a large swath of people who think that violent crime is worse now than it was in the early 90s when it's actually significantly better. The dumbest of those people will actually claim that the statistics are rigged and don't believe the data. (Those people also listen to Huckster Carlson, but that's a different thread).

2. All of the worst ideas in America are most popular in cities. This includes the idea that shoplifters shouldn't be detained/arrested/prosecuted. And that idea IS relatively new. Cities are where rioting takes place, cities are where idiotic protests take place, etc. And there have been more of these since COVID.

3. This is kind of a piggyback on #2, but it's not just the worst ideas about crime that happen the most in cities. It could be anything from rampant DEI to allowing homeless people to dook on the sidewalk.

And again, the egregiousness of those ideas has gotten much worse over the past 10 or so years.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:05 pm to
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i don’t think that’s true now, what year was that?
2022. The latest year those stats were finally compiled worldwide.
Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
547 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:08 pm to
You are wrong about social media.

I remember how lovely and nice the San Francisco Bay Area was. I saw it slowly getting worse, starting with San Francisco and the moving south to my area, Almaden Valley in San Jose.

I remember when you could forget to lock your car, and it would be ok. Now, even locked cars aren't safe.

I used to never see homeless people in the south bay, now there are tent cities all over San Jose.

The freeways used to have beautiful ice plant landscaping, and now there are homeless people.

There use to not be graffiti everywhere.

The police use to respond to burglaries. Now, you fill out a report online, but the police don't come out

I remember Dallas too. It used to be safe. San Jose was safer than Dallas when I first moved to SJ. San Jose fell more than Dallas.

I wish I had picture from when I first moved to the Bay area to compare them.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:12 pm to
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2022. The latest year those stats were finally compiled worldwide.


it did spike during covid but had dropped off a cliff since and is currently at its lowest levels since the 60’s.

LINK

would you like to try again?
Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:13 pm to
I hope Democratic Sanctions doesn’t read the below.

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LINK
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139679 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:25 pm to
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would you like to try again?
Holy shite dude! Seriously?

In 1960, the population of New Orleans was 627,525. Today it's about half that. Meaning you're bragging about 1/2 year rates that are literally TWICE what they were in 1960.

But by comparison (pathetically), hopefully the numbers you're quoting hold, because they'd be an improvement.
This post was edited on 8/10/25 at 4:27 pm
Posted by Marquesa
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2020
1902 posts
Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:29 pm to
Try Birmingham
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 8/10/25 at 4:31 pm to
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it did spike during covid but had dropped off a cliff since and is currently at its lowest levels since the 60’s.

LINK

would you like to try again?


You don't actually believe crime stats have remained consistent in their tabulations?
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