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re: The medical examiner who just testified was devastating to the prosecution
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:16 pm to PsychTiger
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:16 pm to PsychTiger
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There are indeed. The police have been militarized and they too often blindly follow orders from politicians, which has often put both them and civilians at risk.
Exactly. But these issues will never be resolved if the only thing that ever matters is race/racism, real or imagined.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:21 pm to gthog61
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You can pay "experts" to say anything
If the past year has taught us anything, it is that many so called experts are really stupid, and many are political or opportunistic hacks.
This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
Chauvin did know that the hold he was using on Floyd could cause serious injury or even be fatal under certain circumstances. It was in his training, and he exhibited that knowledge in the field.
Once Floyd's hands were cuffed behind his back, he should have been moved to another position. Particularly true since Floyd was in distress.
Not sure Murder 3 applies, but when your boss testifies against you in a criminal trial, you're in trouble.
Once Floyd's hands were cuffed behind his back, he should have been moved to another position. Particularly true since Floyd was in distress.
Not sure Murder 3 applies, but when your boss testifies against you in a criminal trial, you're in trouble.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:31 pm to ronricks
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This jury is not letting him walk. He will be found Guilty of something regardless of what any facts show.
They need a unanimous jury for that, doubt it happens
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:35 pm to Dday63
Hey commie, how much weight was on Floyd’s shoulder?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
Talk radio noted today that Chauvin is 5'9" and weighs 140 pounds. Floyd was 6'5" and 230 lbs. or so.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:46 pm to JColtF
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They need a unanimous jury for that, doubt it happens
I would laugh my motherfricking arse off if the racist non-unanimous verdict is what ends up springing him.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 5:55 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:Lactic acid is a product of anaerobic metabolism. That is why you are sore a couple of days after extreme exercise or doing something your muscles are not used to. Death is the epitome of anaerobic metabolism until metabolism ends. High CO2 adds to acidosis and then the low O2 leading up to death leads to acidity. Not sure how you differentiate origin of the acidosis. Just going on A&P from 30 years ago. Roger can correct me.
My question if the man died from the combination of asphyxiation and physical stress/hormone/chemical imbalances why couldn’t those hormones/chemical imbalances be detected with an autopsy?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:15 pm to Flats
The cross examination of Dr. Thomas is interesting.
LINK breitbart
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Nelson: So again, just kind of taking into consideration, removing certain variables, right, you find a person at home, no struggle with the police, right, and the person doesn’t have a heart problem, yet you find fentanyl and methamphetamine in this person’s system at the levels they are, would you certify this as an overdose ?
Dr. Thomas: Again, in the absence of any of these other realities, yes, I could consider that to be an overdose.
Nelson: And the level of fentanyl in a person — again, in this hypothetical scenario — there are deaths certified as drug overdoses significantly lower than 11 nanograms per milliliter ?
Dr. Thomas: Lower, higher. it’s got a huge range, yes.
Nelson: As low, I believe, as three percent or three nanograms per milliliter?
Dr. Thomas: Yes.
Nelson: So the ingestion of drugs is unique to that individual’s body, right?
Dr. Thomas: Right.
Nelson: I have no further questions.
Other experts have testified for the prosecut
LINK breitbart
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:20 pm to longwayfromLA
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Virtual impossible? Did you miss yesterday? The prosecution brought on pulmonologist spent a number of hours making that argument in detail. Perhaps your medical expertise takes you a different direction, but the argument was certainly made.
A knee to the shoulder/back?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:23 pm to David_DJS
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You should be honest with us (and maybe yourself?) - you forgot to add "... the 5 experts that I quoted that testified in support of the conclusion I have drawn"
Fair enough. It is true that I drew the conclusion that Chauvin slowly pressed the life out of a man who would have otherwise survived the day from a clear video of Chauvin slowly pressing the life out of a man who would have otherwise survived the day and then a series of experts have testified about their conclusions that Chauvin indeed slowly pressed the life out of a man who would have otherwise survived the day.
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because there are plenty of "experts" that see it differently, but for some reason you're not quoting them.
Can't help but notice that you haven't cited any of the plenty of other experts. Weird that?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:29 pm to PsychTiger
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All of the doctors who have testified to date were prosecution witnesses. The prosecution would be retarded to put up witnesses who didn’t say Chauvin killed Floyd. And supposedly, on cross examination many of those experts said things favorable to the defense, though I have not personally watched any of the trial.
Right. This may be a reason why one might withhold judgment. But that's not what happened here. Ace wrote:
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but they were ancillary to Floyd's general medical condition and, in particular, his substance abuse.
That's an affirmative conclusion that Ace doesn't have the expertise to make. In other words, he's assuming that the yet-to-be-presented defense experts' testimony is correct.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:29 pm to Auburn1968
quote:Prosecution didn't object? Those are two totally different measures.
Nelson: As low, I believe, as three percent or three nanograms per milliliter?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:30 pm to tduecen
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Chauvin is going to jail for life, time to admit it
Only if the entire jury has 1 collective brain cell!
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:31 pm to roadGator
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How much weight was on his neck according your hero experts?
I'm not sure to whom you're referring.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:35 pm to longwayfromLA
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Perhaps your medical expertise takes in a different direction, but the Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist strongly disagrees with you. Fentanyl kills by slowing respiratory rate to a fatal level. But Floys' respirators rate was observably fine. Floyd died from not getting enough O2 in the breaths that he did take. Fentanyl doesn't kill that way.
Why was George Floyd struggling to breath before he was restrained on the pavement?
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:38 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:Did he mention that Fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema and GF's lungs weighed 2 to 3 times normal at autopsy?
Did you watch Tobin's testimony at all? He covered all of this.
Shunt equation probably applies here.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 6:42 pm to longwayfromLA
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This post was edited on 4/9/21 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:09 pm to Diamondawg
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Did he mention that Fentanyl can cause pulmonary edema and GF's lungs weighed 2 to 3 times normal at autopsy?
I don't recall his entire testimony because I would imagine that a pulmonologist with 45 years of experience would be able to recognize pulmonary edema. Further, the two medical examiners also would have been aware of the possibility you're raising and rejected it.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 7:14 pm to longwayfromLA
quote:The paid ones or the real ones?
I don't recall his entire testimony because I would imagine that a pulmonologist with 45 years of experience would be able to recognize pulmonary edema. Further, the two medical examiners also would have been aware of the possibility you're raising and rejected it.
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