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re: The level of naivety regarding the Iranian conflict is disturbing

Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 am to
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 am to
Calling something a fact doesn’t make it so. Good try.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:37 am to
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According to MiC propaganda, sure.
If you'd like to take a trip there, I'll gladly pay for the trip there. You gotta stay for 12 months minimum and live among the regular population. No staying in elitist hotels. I'll buy a oneway ticket to Iran and if needed then buy a oneway ticket back to Alaska. You can report back what you find about your beloved "persians".
Posted by DownSouthJukin
1x tRant Poster of the Millennium
Member since Jan 2014
31776 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:40 am to
I’ll make this simple:

It’s easier to keep the tiger in the cage and punish it when it tries to get out of the cage than it is to go in the cage and try to teach the tiger new tricks. That is how one gets eaten.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 10:42 am
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:41 am to
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What I think about Israel is very relevant
No it isn't. It has NOTHING to do with the nature of Islamic terrorism

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They're the only nuclear power in the region and they have zero interest in decreasing nuclear tensions
This is a stupid statement. Israel has never been an agressor. They don't attack civilians on purpose. They don't constantly claim that are trying to eradicate a sworn enemy even though said sworn enemy attacks them constantly

And even if what you said is true, that doesn't change the nature of Islamic, fundamentalist terrorism

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It's time now to attack and invade China. They're the last great enemy of the United States and have taken steps to subvert our way of life now for decades
Are they a state sponsor of terrorism? Not that I am aware of. It would be counterproductive to their goals. They also support the American way of life economically in some ways. We are economically intertwined with them and our values align with them in some ways. It is a complicated relationship.

Our relationship with Islamic terrorism is not complicated or nuanced. It is extremely simple. Any nations that sponsor those entities need to be addressed with impunity

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we know this because you've made the exact same argument for war against Iran that you've made against Iraq
I addressed this in the OP

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In my lifetime, not one single American serviceman has died to protect my right to "speak out against foreign conflict". Not one
If you truly believe this, then you are not only naive and uneducated but you can't be reasoned with on this topic

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Now plenty have died to improve the profit margins of defense contractors
False dichotomy

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none have died for my freedoms
Completely, totally false and this has nothing to do with Islamic terrorism

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You're getting your war
Strawman

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you've got alot of opinion in all that
wrong

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you've made the exact same argument Israel and the Bush administration made for war after 9/11
That doesn't mean it's false

Then you admit that we have enemies thus agreeing with the OP but use a horrible analogy in an attempt to break the current situation with Iran

So you bowed up thinking you were taking down the OP and didn't address the fact in the OP. Good job
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173789 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:41 am to
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Do we see frequent, direct evidence of their terrorist activities threatening our way of life? No.

I'm not seeing frequent terrorist activities threatening our way of life from Iran either

Israel does but that's not our problem
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:41 am to
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If you'd like to take a trip there, I'll gladly pay for the trip there. You gotta stay for 12 months minimum and live among the regular population. No staying in elitist hotels. I'll buy a oneway ticket to Iran and if needed then buy a oneway ticket back to Alaska. You can report back what you find about your beloved "persians".



This is utterly retarded.

Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:42 am to
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This is utterly retarded.
So your answer is no you don't want to go on a free trip to live with your beloved "persians".. Hmmm
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:42 am to
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Why do we have to intervene? Why can’t Israel handle business?


Because Israel wants regime change and I'm not sure you can do that without subduing a population. You have to have troops for that. Well not only would the Iranian people not tolerate a Jewish military invasion, but the entirety of the Muslim world wouldn't tolerate it either. Not one single Israeli boot (that we know of) will be on Iranian sand.

That's where the United States comes in.

Israel didn't attack Iran "hoping" the United States would help. They attacked Iran knowing the United States would help.

Israel will get what it wants. The OP can breathe easy, he and his like will get what they want as well.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173789 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:43 am to
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"We had this horrific, unprecedented attack that killed thousands of Americans in America but, it was a couple of decades ago so, we definitely can let our guard down"

I didn't say let our guard down

But I know this much. I don't go to sleep every night in fear that Iran is going to kill me.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12211 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:44 am to
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It’s easier to keep the tiger in the cage and punish it when it tries to get out of the cage than it is to go in the cage and try to teach the tiger new tricks. That is how one gets eaten.

We aren't Iran's neighbor or even in their region. That's Israel's problem not ours. Its not hard to understand. Same can be said for Russia and Ukraine. Russia is Europe's problem not ours.
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
4527 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:45 am to
How much stock you have in lockheed martin and raytheon?
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
18553 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:45 am to
OP wasn’t crying for war two weeks ago. Got woke up when his jew masters told him what he had to do.

Yells about American freedom while running around in Jewish chains. Ironic.
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 10:47 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173789 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:46 am to
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Because Israel wants regime change and I'm not sure you can do that without subduing a population. You have to have troops for that. Well not only would the Iranian people not tolerate a Jewish military invasion, but the entirety of the Muslim world wouldn't tolerate it either. Not one single Israeli boot (that we know of) will be on Iranian sand.

That's where the United States comes in.

This is where I see us getting involved eventually as well
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Israel didn't attack Iran "hoping" the United States would help. They attacked Iran knowing the United States would help.

Correct
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:47 am to
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So your answer is no you don't want to go on a free trip to live with your beloved "persians".. Hmmm


Youve gotta be a woman
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
19829 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:47 am to
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I didn't say let our guard down

But I know this much. I don't go to sleep every night in fear that Iran is going to kill me.
And you shouldn't.... there is no reason to.

I would say the Israeli's have presented us with a golden opportunity.

They MAY pull it off all on their own. We just need to not get in their way.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87381 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:47 am to
Reading the tea leaves, I'm less confident we're going to be directly involved today than yesterday, and much less confident we're going to be involved in anything that would directly lead to regime change.

But who knows.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:47 am to
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jew masters
All this hatred for the Jews, when you're much more likely to be harmed by a 13%'er.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16414 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:48 am to
Do you work for the military industrial complex?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4723 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:49 am to
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Youve gotta be a woman
You liberals can define a what woman is now?
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 11:02 am
Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
21114 posts
Posted on 6/18/25 at 10:50 am to
Man you're really defensive for a guy who's gonna get the war he wants. President Trump, Israel, The MIC and every politician in Washington funded by both agree with you.

We're going to war man. It's all good. Just take it easy homeboy. You've made a solid 22 year old argument for another Middle Eastern corporate war. It worked then, it works now.
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