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re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:46 pm to ApexTiger
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:46 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
I've never heard of this...and doubt it's true.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/05/05/my-life-has-value-pennsylvania-senate-candidate-kathy-barnette-talks-being-conceived-in-rape/
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:56 pm to FooManChoo
quote:You understand less about psychiatry than you suppose you do.
the choice to commit suicide
quote:You would do much better laying out your own Faith-based arguments, than attempting to miscategorize mine.
What you are providing is evidence that rape is an evil thing that should be punished harshly. What you are not doing is making a rational argument
quote:Victims take many forms.
as to why we should punish (additional) innocent victims
This is not one.
Sorry!
Posted on 5/5/22 at 3:58 pm to ApexTiger
Rape is what plan B is for. A rape victim should take it immediately. Same with a victim of incest.
With regards to the mother’s well being, that should be the choice of the mother. If she wishes to terminate to avoid her own life being in jeopardy, I can support that. With that in mind, I don’t want to see some slippery slope arguments.
Make plan B readily available for people who forgot how pregnancy works and decided against condoms and or the pill.
With regards to the mother’s well being, that should be the choice of the mother. If she wishes to terminate to avoid her own life being in jeopardy, I can support that. With that in mind, I don’t want to see some slippery slope arguments.
Make plan B readily available for people who forgot how pregnancy works and decided against condoms and or the pill.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:00 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:
Slippery slope arguments
When the left hammers on about a mother’s health they always leave out they mean mental health as an excuse.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:08 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I don't suppose I know much about psychiatry, but I know definitions of words. If someone commits suicide, they are choosing to end their life. If someone else is forcing them to commit suicide, that's actually murder.
You understand less about psychiatry than you suppose you do
Like I said, it's horrible how destructive such a crime is, but I don't think ending another human life is an appropriate response.
quote:I'm explaining what you have done so far. You have provided a wonderful case as why rape is a horrible crime and should be treated as such, including harsh penalties and punishments for those who commit it. However, you have not provided a compelling case as to why we should kill other victims of rape.
You would do much better laying out your own Faith-based arguments, than attempting to miscategorize mine.
quote:If it's a human life, it's a victim when the life has ended. I think you're appealing to some form of sapience or cognition to justify your use of the word "victim" in this case because you refuse to believe that a living human being at an early stage of development has any value that needs to be preserved.
Victims take many forms.
This is not one.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:18 pm to td01241
quote:
When the left hammers on about a mother’s health they always leave out they mean mental health as an excuse.
Yeah, no…
No slippery slope. If the mother’s life is in danger, yes. That cannot be stretched further than dying/being permanently incapacitated from child birth and I’m not talking about psychologically.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:19 pm to ApexTiger
That is how they got Roe in the first place
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:20 pm to FooManChoo
quote:Right. This is not a human life.
If it's a human life
Again, sorry.
But to draw some equivalence with a viable human is nonsense.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:41 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:It's a human life. It's human. It's alive and developing. It's a human life.
Right. This is not a human life.
Again, sorry.
But to draw some equivalence with a viable human is nonsense.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:49 pm to FooManChoo
quote:No, Foo. It isn't.
It's a human life. It's human. It's alive and developing. It's a human life.
It is a Pig embryo.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:56 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:OK. The pig embryo isn't a human life. A human embryo, is.
No, Foo. It isn't.
It is a Pig embryo.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 4:57 pm to ApexTiger
I do not know of any state which does not allow hospitals to administrator emergency contraception to rape victims.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:00 pm to lsupride87
quote:
If you make all abortions illegal, yes you will have thousands of women die every year with ectopic pregnancies alone
That’s not an emotional argument, it’s just the facts
That is not true because ectopic pregnancies are an emergency life or death risk to the mother and are treated as such. Ectopic pregnancies are also always fatal to the fetus; I am only aware of one baby that survived and his birth in 1999 was hailed as a medical miracle.
Treatment of ectopic pregnancies are by medical definition *not abortion* since the embryo is not removed from the uterus. UTSouthwestern LINK
quote:
Ectopic pregnancy treatment is not the same as abortion. The medical definition of “abortion” is removal of an embryo and placenta from the uterus. This includes termination of unwanted pregnancy as well as otherwise normal pregnancy in which the fetus’ or mother’s life is in danger. Note the phrase “from the uterus” – the only place an embryo can develop into a baby.
Treatment of ectopic pregnancies is also procedurally different from abortion. Mothers are given methotrexate, a chemotherapy drug, to stop the growth of the embryo (just like it hopefully stops cancer growth) to avoid it rupturing an organ in the woman and leading to massive internal bleeding. Women choosing elective abortion are rarely given methotrexate anymore, though it used to be used for that purpose.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Right. This is not a human life.
But it’s considered murder if during a felony crime a fetus is killed.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:15 pm to Pandy Fackler
Gotta say I read through this whole thread and out of everyone your argument is the only one that I read in the voice of a blue haired barista sitting in her car yelling at the top of her lungs while recording a TikTok.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:24 pm to ApexTiger
The founding fathers created the Separation of Church and State for a reason. I am tuned out over any religion or its beliefs having a thing to do with our laws.
I was a combat soldier for over 20 years having done multiple combat deployments to all corners of the earth. I witnessed more death amd carnage at the hand of religion than any other reason. And yes, Christians in Bosnia were ruthless.
I was a combat soldier for over 20 years having done multiple combat deployments to all corners of the earth. I witnessed more death amd carnage at the hand of religion than any other reason. And yes, Christians in Bosnia were ruthless.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:45 pm to touchdownjeebus
quote:Not in the case of that fetus, which is sort of the point.
But it’s considered murder if during a felony crime a fetus is killed.
One of these is not like the other.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:48 pm to NC_Tigah
Keep the one on the right, eat the one on the left. Easy call.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:48 pm to ApexTiger
Sort of like the left acts like 85% of the population is trans.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 5:55 pm to davyjones
quote:No comment.
Keep the one on the right, eat the one on the left.
But if SirCharles said that, Shaq would be crying at the double entendre.
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