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re: The Left has a Jewish Conundrum

Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:19 pm to
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:19 pm to
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The Left has a Jewish Conundrum

We all do.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:20 pm to
I don’t. But I hope it gets better for you though.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:30 pm to
American Jews don’t care. They would vote for a marxist democrat with a funny mustache who openly advocates for the final solution to the Jew problem, before they would vote conservative/republican.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:32 pm to
It's pretty telling that you can't make the distinction between Jewish people and the nation of Israel. They aren't the same thing and yet you conflate them as if they are.
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:37 pm to
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Thru the own actions of the most powerful political Jew....Schumer. dems push replacement theory, and Jews have help keep them in power enough to get the ball rolling...fast.


What about Obamas, Clintons, pelosi, Biden, etc ....

They all Jews too?

Immigration is a leftist/liberal thing, not a "Jewish" thing. Are the Jews responsible for the dire situation in the UK as well?

Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:38 pm to
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American Jews don’t care. They would vote for a marxist democrat with a funny mustache who openly advocates for the final solution to the Jew problem, before they would vote conservative/republican


This is sadly true for at least 50% of American Jewry. 70% if they live on the coasts.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:48 pm to
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The Left has a Jewish Conundrum


I disagree. Jewish voters in the US are overwhelmingly democrat voters and historically more left leaning liberals than the general population.

You’d be surprised how many Jewish people are getting arrested for being “antisemites” at these protests against Israel in the US and Europe.

The right-wing Zionist rump is vocal and wealthy. They have an outsized effect on how things are projected as Jewish consensus in the media. They use antisemitism and the generational trauma many US Jews have about the holocaust as a cudgel to quiet dissent within their ranks.

Edit: I wouldn’t be surprised if amongst middle class and lower Jews in NYC that they overwhelmingly vote for the DSA mayoral candidate. That says something since NYC has the most Jewish people of any city in the US.
This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:54 pm to
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Immigration is a leftist/liberal thing, not a "Jewish" thing. Are the Jews responsible for the dire situation in the UK as well?


Its both.

Remember that a number of Jewish American organizations have lobbied for increased immigration since the 1930s at least.

There is a long memory of being blocked from escaping the Pale in Russia, to pre WW2 Germany etc...

If you cant admit that there is a long history of the Jewish community advocating for looser immigration laws, then others will see you as dishonest.

There is nothing wrong with admitting the American Jewish community has a long history with immigration.
Posted by Narax
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:56 pm to
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The right-wing Zionist rump is vocal and wealthy.

And mostly democrats...

Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 4:57 pm to
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And mostly democrats...


This is fair, many of the wealthy Jewish people in the US are just the right wing of the Democratic Party big tent.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:06 pm to
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This is fair, many of the wealthy Jewish people in the US are just the right wing of the Democratic Party big tent.

I know a number of American zionists of various wealth levels.

I enjoy talking to them.
Posted by BTROleMisser
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Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:08 pm to
A lot of people on the right hate Jews these days too.
Posted by tarzana
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:14 pm to
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Please someone explain it to me

There's no conundrum at all. The various antagonist Democratic factions detest Republicans and conservatives more than they dislike each other.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:15 pm to
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i have never seen this level of antisemitism in my life time and i'm 64 it's all on the left.


But it's in large part the fault of Israel. I don't know how you can look at pictures from Gaza and not think it's fricked up. All those children are human with souls, killing them is a sin against God, and so is supporting it. I don't see a single commandment that says - unless they do this and that. Defense is really the only justification and the response obviously goes well beyond defense.

People don't realize it, but Israel has it's own political struggles and extremists. The extremists in Israel are in charge and I hope they get them out soon. Looks like it's going to be a while though as Bibi just barely escaped another election, which he would be expected to lose.

And then you got the fact when people try to talk about these things, or the other places Israel is bombing, the only thing anyone can say is they are antisemitic. But when the person really isn't, you just end up turning them against Israel because it's like - well, they have no legitimate response.

On top of this you have people stuck in collectivism due to the brainwash/propaganda of the MSM. So then you get people seeing "Jews" instead of individuals, missing that many Jewish people don't support this.

I'm glad it seems Trump has avoided more war and support of Israel for now. If not, ultimately it will be the thing that unites the democrats IMO. Many people on the right, myself included, are not down with it. I'm all about Israel having a right to defend itself, but not like this.

Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:18 pm to
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Jews have a leftist Conundrum


No, there are still MANY, MANY self-loathing Jews, especially in NY and LA
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
11765 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:44 pm to
Here’s a thread about some of the sentiment I’m talking about. “Do you feel that Israel is an important part of your Jewish identity” is a coin flip amongst NYC Jewish population.

From a lefty account but go check out the primary sources referenced if you’re skeptical.

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This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 5:46 pm
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19734 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 5:59 pm to
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Jews have a leftist Conundrum. They created their own discontinuity by supporting mass immigration from ethnic groups who hate them. Not too smart, if you ask me.

American Jews seem very different politically to Israeli Jews it seems? I’d love to hear some input on this.
This post was edited on 6/28/25 at 6:04 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:05 pm to
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The left’s ability to marry Jews, Muslims, gays, and blacks all into a party that has nothing in common is the only impressive thing about them.

Muslims hate Jews, but both are dems

Muslims hate gays, but both are dems

Muslims hate women’s rights, but feminists vote for them.



One of the things that the Democrats are the left had done successfully since the 60s was to build a coalition of environmentalists, feminists. the black & brown the gay ... Then the kind of more radical climate change the more radical feminists the black separatist La Raza the trans the black trans the brown trans .. it worked .. for them getting elected

Then came Hillary and the women thought it was her turn but the rest of the coalition the actual grassroots coalition wanted Bernie because the party had become socialists

and now

While not an answer to your question. There is kind of a broader view of the liberal or progressive conundrum and that is as the left has played identity politics going from black to Brown to women to gays. Is they've got so many Individualistic gaze that have to be a gay brown trans climate change that by trying to appeal to everything they're beginning to appeal to nothing

So what began with Hillary stealing the election from Bernie and then Trump won the dems handing it to Biden because there was no one else, and then Harris because there was no one else

and Trump then built upon the populists, silent majority,, the
I just want to live my life to the end of the day and get home to my kids and feed them people
the economy stupid /pocketbook voters which happen to include women and black and Brown and gay people,, who are just normal everyday Americans

Well if the Republicans stick and to that and let the Democrats be who the inevitably have to be to win primaries things will change

Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
19434 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:22 pm to
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Muslims hate Jews, but both are dems Muslims hate gays, but both are dems Muslims hate women’s rights, but feminists vote for them.


It’s because they all hate America. This is the binding theme.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Member since Jun 2004
195043 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 6:26 pm to
I know why you think that even posted IT
but it's not actually that they hate America, it's just that they believe by complaining a lot they'll get money out of it, whether it be from the government or politically to gain a position of influence

They do hate American history because if you know the history of this country, that in and of itself proves them wrong

They like to RE-tell a very biased agenda agenda-driven American history
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