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re: The GOP wants to add $3T to the debt

Posted on 2/13/25 at 4:20 pm to
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6406 posts
Posted on 2/13/25 at 4:20 pm to
The biggest problem we have is US corporations and financial institutions want the US to have more debt. Most financial institutions own 70% of the US debt. The more Treasury bills/securities they can buy the more money they make.

The Federal Reserve should cut the interest rate on Treasury bills in half. They are still a good investment because they are fully guaranteed. The negative by cutting interest rates on Treasury bills is it would hurt our retirement accounts. It’s bad that most of us benefit from from US debt through 401k’s, IRA’s, mutual funds, and other retirement accounts that invest in Treasury bills.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39597 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 3:07 pm to
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Elon will make out like a bandit


You said that buying Twitter would bankrupt him.

You are a moron.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
22953 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 3:09 pm to
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It depends how they are counted. The tax cuts will add that over 10 years.

Elon wants to cut over 1 trillion a year. That is over 10 trillion over 10 years.


This. OP is legitimately stupid if he doesn't understand the time frame.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
64529 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 3:10 pm to
3 Trillion over a term is a yuge win…. Over a year is pretty much like last year
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
8013 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:14 pm to
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The deficit increasing since those tax cuts proves you wrong though.


Isn’t the number being thrown around a projection over 10 years starting in 2026 based on 2017 tax cuts with a sun set date not being renewed (along with zero other changes to tax rates or huge surprises in increased spending over same timeframe)?

Semantics of saying if current tax rates are renewed they are going to be tax cuts again is political gamesmanship. Renewing them keeps rates the same as the year (s) before sun set date and not renewing them increases tax rates over those same prior year (s).

It also doesn’t account for the 2017 bill’s increased revenue by broadening tax base and other changes. The actual projected net tax cut from 2017 tax bill was $1.5 trillion over 10 years, but I am guessing either much of the broadening of the tax base and other revenue increases didn’t have a sun set date which is backwards or is just completely cut out from Dem talking points their lemmings have been instructed to spread. Tax cuts should never require renewal, but tax increases shouldn’t always require renewals. Congress has to stop being chicken shits and vote to increase taxes when they want them instead of sunset laws ending tax cuts.

Budget projections are usually inaccurate about the amount of $ raising taxes will increase revenue by over 10 years just like they are in accurate about the $ tax cuts will decrease revenue by over 10 years.

I also would think 10 year projections soon after 2017 tax cuts didn’t account for the inflation “reduction” act starting to hand out a ton of tax credits for green initiatives over 10 years, the billions and billions of money sent to the Ukraine, the large Covid and shutdown bills with increased spending and tax credits, and so on. 10 year deficit projections are a joke after 2 to maybe 3 years.

I think the 2017 tax cuts should be made permanent and not just renewed for a set time frame.

Then besides DOGE and other cuts they need to look into some ideas broached by CATO including:

Repealing the fraudulently named Inflation “Reduction” Act and ending its and other green energy tax credits/subsidies will save around $1 trillion over 10 years according to CATO.

CATO also has said that repealing the low income housing credit will save $150 billion over 10 years.

Stopping the tax free status on municipal bond interest earned by lenders plus reforming what is considered a tax exempt organization to stop some very business like organizations from abusing their granted tax exempt status could raise over $600 to $700 billion over 10 years.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 7:18 pm
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
35664 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:15 pm to
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$4.5T in tax cuts, $1.5T spending cuts.



That's adding literally nothing to the debt.


Idiot.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
21424 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:17 pm to
They will cut 3T$, and you will not like it.....too bad.
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
31514 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:19 pm to
Glad our resident clown could chime in with yet another uninformed, low t diatribe
Posted by shrevetigertom
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2005
4268 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:21 pm to
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Please learn about the Laffer Curve.
This is the most important thing to consider. Most morons have no idea what this is.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31100 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:22 pm to
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$4.5T in tax cuts, $1.5T spending cuts.

We found it (DOGE), why cant we keep it?

Whats that verse in the Bible, Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers? Or something along those lines
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
16728 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 7:22 pm to
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The last Trump tax cut took money out of the unproductive government's hands and put it into the people's hands and the productive economy. The result was a net rise in tax revenue.

Funny how that works.


This, its already baked in the economy, its not additional taxes, its already in the budget, just extending what is there.
Posted by aero1126
Member since Oct 2016
1159 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:07 pm to
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The last Trump tax cut took money out of the unproductive government's hands and put it into the people's hands and the productive economy. The result was a net rise in tax revenue. Funny how that works.


What’s funny is that literally doesn’t actually work, it’s just the same make believe bs they use to sell idiots the concept of trickle down economics.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
20949 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:08 pm to
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
5666 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

RelicBatches86


we get it dude...you would much rather have congress members getting the money in the form of kickbacks, fraud activity. You would rather them get our hard earned money, not the people actually doing the work....as long as you can hate on Trump and support the dems, right?
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
13936 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:10 pm to
Nah, they want to keep their tax cuts by cutting your services…. Just remember lots of stuff that needs cut will be cut.., but they are going to cut a hell of a lot more than you realize.. prep for increased local/state taxes for utilities, roads, ect ect
Posted by aero1126
Member since Oct 2016
1159 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:12 pm to
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prep for increased local/state taxes for utilities, roads, ect ect


Which brings up the point of the whole dog and pony show being incredibly stupid.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
6075 posts
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:35 pm to
Are you taking about efforts to extend the 2017 tax cut, which has been in effect for 7 years?

That tax cut? The one that doubled the standard deduction for married couples?

Because I damn sire don't think Trump should raise taxes on the middle class, which is what happens if these 2017 cuts expire.

Or are you talking about something new, like no tax on tips or social security?

I have no opinion on tips, but ss contributions are taxed, and then benefits are taxed again. That is wrong. Your 401k contribution is not double taxed.

I have no clue where your numbers are coming from. There are no links or footnotes.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 9:36 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39147 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:26 am to
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That's adding literally nothing to the debt.


Spending $3T more than you take in adds… wait for it… $3T to the debt.

quote:

Idiot
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450816 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:31 am to
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Most morons have no idea what this is.

They really get mad when you use similar concepts to show we can't grow our economy enough to solve the deficit/debt problem.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450816 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 7:32 am to
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We found it (DOGE), why cant we keep it?

Assuming DOGE-adjacent policies ever end up cutting spending, it will be a one time thing (and won't be big enough to do much).

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