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re: The founding fathers hated being taxed

Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:33 am to
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32030 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:33 am to
Add taxes to insurance and you probably only get to use 30% of your money.

Health insurance
Life insurance
Car insurance
Liability insurance
Flood insurance


It’s a rat race and it’s all fricking nonsense.
Posted by bengalbait
Grove Lounge
Member since Sep 2009
4601 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:36 am to
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hated being taxed


NO, They hated taxation without representation. Go back and read an 8th grade history book.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
6584 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:38 am to
Wtf are we doing with our taxes damn. I can understand those commie countries high taxes because they got a lot of government stuff but why do we need the 28000th tank
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
134605 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:40 am to
It's worded as though Jimbob (is that what Jimbo is short for?) was unable to fit a 2.0 in high school inside a tank.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
8443 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:42 am to
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We’re at a stage where they will tax us for breathing


Like declaring co2 a pollutant and imposing a carbon tax for emitting it?
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
9381 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 9:46 am to
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This country is far removed from what the founding fathers envisioned


It's crazy to think about. There were 2 million Americans at the time and the fastest way to get a message across was a galloping horse.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61832 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:27 am to
As long as we have the circus and bread, most Americans will just take it and exclaim that it’s the best country on planet earth.

And it’s not even that we’re taxed so absurdly and told it’s the land of free and home of the brave and all that nonsense, but it’s what we get in return for all that taxation that should bother everyone to death, and it’s not much, but other countries and corporations that are the beneficiaries of all that American tax payers money instead of Americans is what should be the turd in the punch bowl that causes us to react at election time, but NOPE…. Wash and repeat. That’s what we get.

Those founding fathers you speak of would have long ago revolted, but we are comfortable as the government’s subjects, and demand nothing responsible from them. Better just row well and live.



Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
40916 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:31 am to
Withholding is one of the worst things to ever happen. If taxpayers had to write a check in one lump sum annually, they'd hang their congressman the next day.
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
6288 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:33 am to
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the founding fathers hated being taxed


That statement is misleading.

No one LIKES being taxed.

The Sons of Liberty shouted “no taxation without representation”. They weren’t against paying any and all taxes,
they were primarily against not being represented.

The “Founding Fathers” clearly intended for there to be taxes:

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Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States


Honestly, too many of y’all have the Gilligan’s Island understanding of taxes.

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And whatever other taxes. We need smaller government including military. Just cut everything by 50%


Folks shout buzzwords like “smaller government” which usually means they want to eliminate programs someone else needs that they don’t.

Considering there is an active war in the Ukraine, trouble in the Middle East, China maintaining a threatening posture, issues with securing our own borders, etc, we don’t need to cut our military by 50%. That’s a frickING ridiculous statement.

I’ve heard it attributed to Oliver Wendell Holmes among others, but “taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society”.

So yeah, I’ve looked at my paycheck before and said who is this FICA guy and why is he taking my money. My biggest personal peeve is when I look at my phone bill and see all the added taxes. I’m literally going to drive down the road within the next hour and pay my property taxes…which I wait to the last minute because why should they have my money any sooner…I’d love to take that money,
My money, and go spend it on “me”. But at the end of the day, I also LOVE BEING AN AMERICAN AND LIVING IN AMERICA! I realize how blessed I am to be born here in the greatest country on earth. I want to make sure that, as the Founding Fathers wrote, that the “blessings of Liberty” are not only enjoyed by me, but my posterity. That ain’t based on “I have mine, f—
you” but “We, the people”

Catharsis

Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
36214 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:50 am to
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quote:

hated being taxed



NO, They hated taxation without representation. Go back and read an 8th grade history book.



This! It’s amazing how some people are such simpletons they aren’t able to comprehend anything they don’t already believe.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
11741 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:52 am to
No one in the history of the world enjoys being taxed. But, up until declaring independence, every one of the founding fathers were subjects to the whims of a Monarchy and had been paying taxes of some sort their entire life.

The tipping point of course was them not having a say so (representation in England) on where those tax dollars went, which sounds very familiar 250 years later.

Then again, at the time, all roads were private, there was no police or fire protection, trash collection, water or sewer systems and no public infrastructure. The only thing those guys could relate to in todays world is the massive industrial military complex.
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
42806 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:53 am to
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The founding fathers hated being taxed

Unfair taxing lead to The Civil War
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28544 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:54 am to
The founding fathers wanted self-control so that they could get richer themselves and not be beholden to the English monarchy. Everything else was a compromise to get the people to go along with them.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61832 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:01 am to
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Unfair taxing lead to The Civil War



People have to feel it first for it to resonate, and you only get there during hard times. It’s like when times are good and there’s no want, you don’t mind blowing through money and knowing you’re getting royally screwed, but when things start getting tight, the alarm bells start to go off and you wake up and start looking for answers.

America has been getting hammered since we first became a super power, and starting funding the world. Politicians being outrageously philanthropic with American citizens money, as if it isn’t really their money, but someone else’s and they didn’t earn it with the sweat from their brow. They ingratiate themselves with the world’s riches, power, and approval while selling American citizens down the river, and even have those same people wrapping themselves in the flag and claiming it’s something it is NOT, and that the American dream is alive and well, unless of course you think the American dream is to bust your arse your entire life to buy shite you’re told you can’t live without, and all to keep THEIR machine running. We exist, and our minds are preoccupied, but I’d argue few if any really actually “LIVE” life, but rather exist.


Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51733 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:04 am to
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Must be why George Washington levied the Whisky Tax. The US even passed its own Stamp tax in 1797. They were actually pretty high on progressive taxation, also.

The founding fathers hated being taxed while have zero say on policy and laws levied by the British crown. You know the whole no taxation without representation thing?

Amazing how wrong so many here got that. But then again projection is strong with the OT
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 11:05 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
44411 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:05 am to
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Getting rid of employee withholding would be fricking hilarious. If everyone had to write a check in April the amount of democrats would drop to almost nothing.



This country would change over night if this happened which is why it won't.
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1368 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:05 am to
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We need smaller government including military. Just cut everything by 50%


LOL, wait till you figure out that it’s all just made up. Your ‘taxes’ aren’t buying anything. The govt doesn’t have any money. They just authorize the printing process and it rolls out IOU after IOU. It’s all built on nothing but the idea that we will continue yearning for more shite and therefore have to keep contributing.
Their trillion dollar boondoggle adventures are never actually paid for. We’re just the country’s debt slaves working for shite we don’t need to impress people we don’t know or like.
Posted by Sneauxghost
Member since Sep 2020
1350 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:15 am to
Politicians did the bidding of the cabal and no one complained. Government was intended to be funded by other means. Uneducated on the subject is off the charts. Try discussing eliminating taxes with people and the immediately go full retard.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11952 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:27 am to
Some people truly don't realize how much they are taxed even thou they complain, bc lots of things are rolled into a structured bill. If you own a business, they find ways to tax you in more categories especially at the end of the year. It's truly sad. They wonder why people try to cheat them out of money. An office admin spends more money dealing with taxes, licenses, fees, monthly, quarterlies, etc. The list goes on and on.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35903 posts
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:35 am to
Only 50% pay anything other than sales tax.

The 50% that do by and large have a surplus so they aren’t willing to sacrifice their lifestyle in a rebellion.
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