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re: The devastation of Helene has laid bare the fricked up priorities of the US government
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Sure, and that makes the "one pot" argument silly. That's the point.
No. It’s reality. Just because the government doesn’t like that reality and wants to substitute its own via the print moar money button, doesn’t change reality.
Reality is reality. And budgets are a zero sum game.
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So no budget and no "one pot" actually exists in reality, correct?
Nope. It is very much real. Just as the fathers belt is real this afternoon but the soon to be punished child continues to pretend it doesn’t exist in childhood naivety.
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Potentially ironic
What’s ironic is your lack of seeing the forest from the trees.
“But they can just print more money so budgets aren’t real” is the mindset that got us where we are.
100,000 more in debt every 5 seconds.
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Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:09 am to clacker
We began to aid Ukraine Ed in a big way just over two years ago.
If you and the others are correct and the money for Ukraine was taken from infrastructure spending and FEMA then tell me about all the projects that have been cancelled.
If you and the others are correct and the money for Ukraine was taken from infrastructure spending and FEMA then tell me about all the projects that have been cancelled.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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The Biden Admin added tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars of printed debt for infrastructure spending.
It’s allocated to infrastructure “fighting climate change”, i.e., CCS, not roads, dams and bridges.
The federal government wants to fight ghosts not real things.
Trump did say on the campaign trail that he would work with congress to reappropriate to “roads and bridges”.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:11 am to clacker
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So that money went to Ukraine and not to some project in the US, correct?
No. That's the conflation.
You think there is one pot. There is not.
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Your "infinite" budget
We don't have a budget and haven't for a long time, at this point.
If we did have a budget, then the "one pot" argument would make a little more sense (although, emergency resolutions could always lead to more printing and we ran deficits with budgets in the past)
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:11 am to doubleb
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We began to aid Ukraine Ed in a big way just over two years ago.
If you and the others are correct and the money for Ukraine was taken from infrastructure spending and FEMA then tell me about all the projects that have been cancelled.
Oh my.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Asserting that government is competent would be even sillier.
This is silly.
quote:Don't confuse spending money with accomplishment. The government spent billions to install a handful of EV chargers. Thats not an indication of competency. The opposite actually.
I will bet you $100 (pick the escrow holder) the feds spend a shite ton of money on these domestic issues. Over $1B.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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We don't have a budget and haven't for a long time, at this point.
If we did have a budget, then the "one pot" argument would make a little more sense (although, emergency resolutions could always lead to more printing and we ran deficits with budgets in the past)
Wow
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. That's the conflation. You think there is one pot. There is not.
Ukraine needs a zero pot.
U.S. needs all the money.
Not complicated.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Your government is fricked up.....theres no denying that.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:14 am to beerJeep
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Reality is reality. And budgets are a zero sum game.
And we don't use budgets.
You can't ignore reality and pretend that's the paradigm over government spending to create this partisan conflation.
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What’s ironic is your lack of seeing the forest from the trees.
No what's ironic is you ignoring reality and then posting as if your argument reflects it.
We don't use budgets anymore.
We don't have "one pot" from which to spend anymore.
Fedgov will print whatever it wants to to spend on whatever it wants to. The trillions we printed in 2020 and 2021 should have taught this lesson to everyone. What budget authorized those trillions? What programs/agencies did those trillions take money from?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:14 am to Taxing Authority
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Asserting that government is competent would be even sillier.
I never did this.
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Don't confuse spending money with accomplishment.
I'm not. They're arguing spending, so I brought up spending.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Let me dull it down for you with an example.
You’re hungry and need to eat. To get all the food for the week it is going to cost you $200. However you only have $100 to go to the grocery. On the way to the grocery store, you see a crack whore that wants to give you a hand job for $50. You give the crack whore $50. Now you only have $50 for the grocery to get food when you needed $200. You go ahead and pay $50 cash for the groceries and put the other $150 on a credit card.
I’ll give you a cheat sheet
Grocery = US Infrastructure
Crack Whore Hand Job = Ukraine
You’re hungry and need to eat. To get all the food for the week it is going to cost you $200. However you only have $100 to go to the grocery. On the way to the grocery store, you see a crack whore that wants to give you a hand job for $50. You give the crack whore $50. Now you only have $50 for the grocery to get food when you needed $200. You go ahead and pay $50 cash for the groceries and put the other $150 on a credit card.
I’ll give you a cheat sheet
Grocery = US Infrastructure
Crack Whore Hand Job = Ukraine
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:15 am to GumboPot
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Ukraine needs a zero pot.
U.S. needs all the money.
Not complicated.
That is a different argument than OP.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:16 am to Knight of Old
I don’t think that a budget for our government even exists anymore. The central banking cartel/mafia is just a counterfeiting/money laundering operation. When they need money they just print it up out of thin air. Fractional reserve banking is the biggest financial scam ever perpetrated.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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So they're coming from the same budgets?
This is silly.
You are a complete frick!
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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No what's ironic is you ignoring reality and then posting as if your argument reflects it.
We don't use budgets anymore.
We don't have "one pot" from which to spend anymore.
Fedgov will print whatever it wants to to spend on whatever it wants to. The trillions we printed in 2020 and 2021 should have taught this lesson to everyone. What budget authorized those trillions? What programs/agencies did those trillions take money from?
This infinite pot sure as frick impacts my pay check.
And why even "print" and keep tally?
And why vote on spending and have bills?
If you send less money overseas, less money will need to be printed.
If you print the exact same and keep it in the USA, more projects could be completed here.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:17 am to BigPerm30
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I’ll give you a cheat sheet
Grocery = US Infrastructure
Crack Whore Hand Job = Ukraine
Your example does not reflect reality. That's the problem (and the basis of this conflation).
In your example "you" can just make $50 (or whatever denomination) to give the crackhead, and you haven't had a $200 budget to spend on grocery in years, so you never "only" have $100.
Given that, I give you your FOURTH chance to answer
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When has all this spending deprived the federal government form throwing out trillions domestically for "every fricking disaster" (to use your language)?
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
No it isn't. You are just an *sshole that really should be ignored.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:17 am to genuineLSUtiger
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I don’t think that a budget for our government even exists anymore.
It does.
It just keeps getting amended.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:18 am to udtiger
quote:The entire DHS budget was $82B for 2023 for comparison. We’re paying more for Ukraine’s sacred borders than our own.
The 150 billion to Ukraine and billions for illegals could either not have been spent (printed) at all, or allocated to other departments (like, say, FEMA or DOT).
SFP, ^— is why Ikraine gets brought up in any sensible conversation about how our government sets its priorities.
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