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re: The cops are looking worse and worse here
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:59 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:59 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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But I absolutely hate Whitlocks take there that a cop would hesitate in that moment for fear of persecution after the fact. That's a bullshite take.
It is a horrible take. This was not some group of gang bangers shooting up themselves. In that situation, i absolutely would hesitate in order to not get pulled into a no win situation. This was a god damn elementary school full of innocent children.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:00 pm to Crimsonians
You don’t need cops to lock down the school. The admin at the school can make that call here at least.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:00 pm to the808bass
Exactly, the school. Not the cops in the statement you agreed with. Likely happened to fast for the lock down call to be successful.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:00 pm to prplhze2000
As a daddy of two little girls.
1) my heart breaks for those parents watching that video. My stomach hurts seeing it.
2) I would have been loaded to the teeth and there’s no one there that would stop me from getting to my babies without killing me.
Praying for these families. America, we are in trouble.
1) my heart breaks for those parents watching that video. My stomach hurts seeing it.
2) I would have been loaded to the teeth and there’s no one there that would stop me from getting to my babies without killing me.
Praying for these families. America, we are in trouble.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:01 pm to zsav77
quote:I have a wealth of LE experience and I can tell you that response is going to change from department to department.
Do you have a law enforcement background? After reading your posts in this thread I hope not.
You don’t set a perimeter first thing in an active shooter scenario, you go towards the gunfire. Columbine changed all that shite.
I'm not calling it right or wrong, I'm just telling you the facts.
quote:Personally, I agree with you. We considered any cleared rooms our "real estate" and we kept what we took.
The director of DHS said it himself in his conference… police followed him in, engaged and were fired upon and backed out… his attempt to make that sound reasonable is absolutely ridiculous. You don’t retreat from an active shooter.
However, I can tell you that all departments are not governed by one set of protocols.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:01 pm to HughsWorkPhone
Here is the latest (2 hours ago) that FOX is reporting from the Texas Public Safety Officer:
Texas DPS says door to Uvalde elementary school appears to have been unlocked when gunman entered
The door to the Uvalde elementary school where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers appears to have been unlocked when he entered, authorities said Thursday.
Minutes earlier, Salvador Ramos crashed a pickup truck into a ditch and fired at two people outside a funeral home, Victor Escalon, the South Texas Regional Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety said during a news conference.
Ramos then went toward Robb Elementary School at 11:40 a.m. and fired "numerous" shots, Escalon said, while providing a timeline of the gunman's movements.
"We will find out as much as we can why it was unlocked, or maybe it (the door) was locked," he said. "But right now, it appears it was unlocked."
The suspect walked into the school and was not confronted by a school resource officer, Escalon said. He said media reports stating otherwise were inaccurate.
Once inside the building, the gunman walked into a hallway and then made his way into a classroom, Escalon said.
"Four minutes later, local police departments, Uvalde Police Department, the Independent School District Police Department are inside, making entry," he said. "They hear gunfire, they take rounds, they move back, get cover. And during that time, they approach where the suspect is at."
The officers called for backup and additional resources while helping children and teachers in nearby classrooms evacuate the building, he said.
A Zavala county deputy and members of the Uvalde Police Department eventually entered the classroom and killed the suspect, Escalon said.
"We're going to find out. With all the different agencies that are involved, we're working every angle that's available. We won't stop until we get all the answers that we possibly can," he added.
Sounds like LEO was inside the building pretty quick evacuating all the other students while being engaged with the shooter.
Texas DPS says door to Uvalde elementary school appears to have been unlocked when gunman entered
The door to the Uvalde elementary school where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers appears to have been unlocked when he entered, authorities said Thursday.
Minutes earlier, Salvador Ramos crashed a pickup truck into a ditch and fired at two people outside a funeral home, Victor Escalon, the South Texas Regional Director of the Texas Department of Public Safety said during a news conference.
Ramos then went toward Robb Elementary School at 11:40 a.m. and fired "numerous" shots, Escalon said, while providing a timeline of the gunman's movements.
"We will find out as much as we can why it was unlocked, or maybe it (the door) was locked," he said. "But right now, it appears it was unlocked."
The suspect walked into the school and was not confronted by a school resource officer, Escalon said. He said media reports stating otherwise were inaccurate.
Once inside the building, the gunman walked into a hallway and then made his way into a classroom, Escalon said.
"Four minutes later, local police departments, Uvalde Police Department, the Independent School District Police Department are inside, making entry," he said. "They hear gunfire, they take rounds, they move back, get cover. And during that time, they approach where the suspect is at."
The officers called for backup and additional resources while helping children and teachers in nearby classrooms evacuate the building, he said.
A Zavala county deputy and members of the Uvalde Police Department eventually entered the classroom and killed the suspect, Escalon said.
"We're going to find out. With all the different agencies that are involved, we're working every angle that's available. We won't stop until we get all the answers that we possibly can," he added.
Sounds like LEO was inside the building pretty quick evacuating all the other students while being engaged with the shooter.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:02 pm to Crimsonians
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A cops #1 job is to follow protocol and be able to go home after their shift. Not be Rambo and charge into a school.
Then the writing on the patrol cars should say, "Follow Protocol and Go Home After Shift," instead of "To Protect and Serve."
OK, now I see that somebody else already said that. Great minds, etc...
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:03 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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Ok I can be reasonable about this. You have to secure the scene. You can't have a flood of distraught parents rushing into an active shooting to save their children. I get why they'd want to, I get why they can't be allowed. A crime scene doesn't work like that any time.
Those cops are accessories to murder.
To stand around in tactical gear for 90 minutes while 1st graders are getting shot and taking no action?
Children died because of their indefensible lack of action.
I don’t want to think about what I would’ve done to the cops if they were between me and my family in that situation
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
quote:It kinda does. I will say, though if you vilify the job enough, the quality applicants is going to inevitably drop. But I have no idea about the quality of the Uvalde police force to say that's happened.
It sounds like complaining about the refs after losing the game.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to Nurbis
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It has nothing to do with being tough or not. Cops were trained, they were on the scene, they were armed, and they sat outside. Inside unarmed defenseless 10-year-olds were being murdered. Do you not see a problem with that scenario?
You don’t really believe this do you? You realize the cops also had kids in the school? CBP agents did as well, some of which are the best thing we have short of seal team 6 for a situation like this.
You may never get the real story. You honestly believe they were letting that sick frick walk out alive?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to tide06
Maybe you should read above about what happened.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:04 pm to Crimsonians
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For one, now who is the shooter if the shooting stops?
I'm not following you. Are you saying that in an active shooter situation in which officers are not entering the location, you need to prevent people from going in so that you can better identify the shooter when the shooting stops?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to Lightning
This is why every American NEEDS a GUN. The police are not there to protect you or your family.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:05 pm to tide06
None of that happened. You are jumping to conclusions too fast.
TTPS released a statement that cops were INSIDE the building within 4 minutes and evacuating other kids and faculty while being engaged with the shooter.
TTPS released a statement that cops were INSIDE the building within 4 minutes and evacuating other kids and faculty while being engaged with the shooter.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:06 pm to RescueT
Yup. Imagine being a dad who was carrying and being told you had to just stand there as you heard shots going off in your child’s school? If the cops aren’t going in, you’d have no choice but to go in yourself. The hell with what the police tells you at that point. Hopefully there would be about a dozen other gun carrying parents joining you.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:07 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Personally, I agree with you. We considered any cleared rooms our "real estate" and we kept what we took.
That post wasn’t directed at anything you said Abraham, I can tell you know your shite. If was more in response to that poster that seems quite angry and was talking about procedures that weren’t very sensible.
And yes, we are in agreement on not giving ground. You take the best cover you can and move when he moves. I know it’s easier said than done and scary as hell, but retreating just means those kids and women don’t have a chance.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:07 pm to Crimsonians
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Not the cops in the statement you agreed with.
You’re retarded and you don’t read good.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:08 pm to psk_Vol
Once again, read above. They probably heard cops inside shooting as well.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:08 pm to PaperTiger
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Sounds like LEO was inside the building pretty quick evacuating all the other students while being engaged with the shooter.
So, if this is accurate, obviously they need to keep parents outside.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:09 pm to the808bass
You are a piece of shite. Just admit it.
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