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re: The cops are looking worse and worse here
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:04 pm to TigerLicks
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:04 pm to TigerLicks
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:07 pm to TigerLicks
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The FBI was warned hours before he went off and did nothing
if he is the one that actually posted that in the game, the FBI is deep shite
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:10 pm to TheSadvocate
I'm confused and maybe someone could clarify this. I've seen that he crashes the vehicle and 911 is called. I've also now read that he was outside of the school shooting for 12 minutes. The Uvalde PD HQ is around 3-4000 ft away from the school by road. How do they not encounter him outside? And if so why can't they take him down(known he has armor)?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:10 pm to Lsuhoohoo
This is all bullshite to be slagging on anyone at the moment. Investigations need to occur. The monsters are not the officers but a lone deranged individual. There were so many unknowns in the initial heat of the moment by the officers
Were there more gunmen
Are we in a hostage situation
Is the place being boobytrapped ala Columbine
Etc
The question I’d have is how long did the gun shots last? Were they all done in in initial minute or so or were they periodically for a full hour? These would require 2 different action protocols.
If there were executions occurring the full hour I’d totally understand the outrage but if there was a down moment then I totally understand the evacuation like they did.
I’ve worked with school safety for many years. I’ve been involved in realistic school shooting drills. The sound of a rifle firing in a hallway is a hair raising noise I wasn’t prepared for.
I say all of this to say do not rush to judgment. If the protocols are to blame it will come out. It’s just too early to judge when the facts are still being gathered.
Were there more gunmen
Are we in a hostage situation
Is the place being boobytrapped ala Columbine
Etc
The question I’d have is how long did the gun shots last? Were they all done in in initial minute or so or were they periodically for a full hour? These would require 2 different action protocols.
If there were executions occurring the full hour I’d totally understand the outrage but if there was a down moment then I totally understand the evacuation like they did.
I’ve worked with school safety for many years. I’ve been involved in realistic school shooting drills. The sound of a rifle firing in a hallway is a hair raising noise I wasn’t prepared for.
I say all of this to say do not rush to judgment. If the protocols are to blame it will come out. It’s just too early to judge when the facts are still being gathered.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:12 pm to TigerLicks
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I'm confused and maybe someone could clarify this. I've seen that he crashes the vehicle and 911 is called. I've also now read that he was outside of the school shooting for 12 minutes. The Uvalde PD HQ is around 3-4000 ft away from the school by road. How do they not encounter him outside? And if so why can't they take him down(known he has armor)?
It’s all changing. I have no idea what the “official” story currently is
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:12 pm to TigerintheNO
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if he is the one that actually posted that in the game, the FBI is deep shite
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they are on microphones talking with each other in the game like Call Of Duty. Still a colossal failure and not the first time they've had these people on radar and did nothing.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:13 pm to PaperTiger
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None of that happened. You are jumping to conclusions too fast. TTPS released a statement that cops were INSIDE the building within 4 minutes and evacuating other kids and faculty while being engaged with the shooter.
They were in the building in 4 minutes. What did they do for the remaining 86 while those children were bleeding out and other children were being shot?
Either the SOP for response didn’t meet current guidelines or the cops on site couldn’t find their balls. Pick one.
You think those parents who recorded the events outside were lying?
All I am seeing and hearing is LE trying to cover their arse because the established timeline doesn’t support their PR narrative at all.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:17 pm to Crimsonians
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A cops #1 job is to follow protocol and be able to go home after their shift. Not be Rambo and charge into a school.
Taxpayers give money and LEO's qualified immunity in return to do the very difficult things.
One of those is to go to where the fight is and protect life.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:17 pm to Lsuhoohoo
I can’t believe this country thinks letting unarmed civilians storm a defendable classroom with a shooter wielding an Ar-15 that shot his grandma in the head abs 2 other officers is a good idea. Thank you George Floyd!
You really think just storming a classroom with a known murderer is going to prevent these kids from getting slaughtered? We are talking about a classroom here, not some Popeyes restaurant where there’s multiple entries to out maneuver the defender.
You really think just storming a classroom with a known murderer is going to prevent these kids from getting slaughtered? We are talking about a classroom here, not some Popeyes restaurant where there’s multiple entries to out maneuver the defender.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:18 pm to Allister Fiend
Great post
Someone with experience in this.. these heroes on the internet don’t get it. You can’t rush inside a building that has an active shooter as an armed civilian. If a swat team or other officer is in there, now all of a sudden you’re a random person in there with a gun. Y’all really think that’s a good idea?
You’re main point will go over everyone’s head though. Investigations need to happen, and a good timeline of events from reputable sources needs to be established before everyone takes out the pitchforks
Someone with experience in this.. these heroes on the internet don’t get it. You can’t rush inside a building that has an active shooter as an armed civilian. If a swat team or other officer is in there, now all of a sudden you’re a random person in there with a gun. Y’all really think that’s a good idea?
You’re main point will go over everyone’s head though. Investigations need to happen, and a good timeline of events from reputable sources needs to be established before everyone takes out the pitchforks
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:18 pm to Allister Fiend
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Are we in a hostage situation
No, it was not a hostage situation. A hostage situation involves a conversation of want the hostage taker wants and what he will do if his demands are not met. His primary intention is not to murder people but to find a way out of the position he is in. This Ramos kid went into the classroom with the intent to kill. The kids were not hostages, they were targets. There was no conversation that took place between Ramos and the cops.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:18 pm to Vegas Eddie
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It’s all changing. I have no idea what the “official” story currently is
If he was outside for 12 mins(???), I just don't get how they couldn't have encountered him when their HQ is 3/4 mile down the street.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:21 pm to tide06
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You think those parents who recorded the events outside were lying?
I think they didn't have a clue. Just because there are 50 police officers outside doesn't automatically mean there are 0 police officers inside.
It's understandable. People panic I'm that situations. They want instant results and if you aren't doing what they want that very second then your aren't doing anything
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:22 pm to Palmetto98
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I can’t believe this country thinks letting unarmed civilians storm a defendable classroom with a shooter wielding an Ar-15 that shot his grandma in the head abs 2 other officers is a good idea. Thank you George Floyd! You really think just storming a classroom with a known murderer is going to prevent these kids from getting slaughtered?
These same people probably thought the school would lock the door or that the police and school who got tons of new funding recently for security would use it to prevent a lone untrained gamer from killing their children.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:23 pm to Homesick Tiger
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quote:
Are we in a hostage situation
No, it was not a hostage situation. A hostage situation involves a conversation of want the hostage taker wants and what he will do if his demands are not met. His primary intention is not to murder people but to find a way out of the position he is in. This Ramos kid went into the classroom with the intent to kill. The kids were not hostages, they were targets. There was no conversation that took place between Ramos and the cops
We know that now but those initially on the scene probably did not. They are responding to a call on a radio about a shooter. There was a ton of fill in the blank probably going on.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:24 pm to Homesick Tiger
What he’s saying is that nobody knew that at the time
How can you not understand that?
How can you not understand that?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:25 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:No longer, my guy. It's a young man's game.
I'm glad you're here in this thread. And glad you serve, wherever your jurisdiction is.
I took advantage of tuition reimbursements and got my MBA. I learned a lot of good things in LE that have translated well into the private sector - servant leadership, ownership, team building.
Some days I hate being behind the desk but I guess we all have to grow up some time.
But I appreciate your sentiments and respect your position. Not all LEOs are rock solid, but I don't think they're an endangered species yet. They might make a comeback.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:25 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:25 pm to Palmetto98
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You really think just storming a classroom with a known murderer is going to prevent these kids from getting slaughtered?
The amount of ammunition the shooter has isn't infinite. People who aren't cowards would sacrifice themselves and take a few bullets that otherwise go into their kids. If enough adults stormed the place the shooter runs out of ammunition earlier and kids are saved.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:26 pm to Lightning
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Twitter link but you need to watch this video
My blood is boiling.
Cops had parents down on the ground and tasers out to keep them from rushing the school.
Holy shite!!
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