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re: The conversation no-one wants to have, "the people are the problem"

Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:07 am to
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5504 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:07 am to
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Since 1989, the GOP has won the popular vote once (and it took a war-time, incumbent President to do this).


That’s tough to argue against. But . . . In 1992, bush/perot combined got about 57% of the popular vote. That election should be a GOP populate vote win. So 1994-2004 “conservative” voters went 2-2 in popular votes.

The shift happens in 2008 with the Dems now on a 4 campaign win streak.

Thats not demographics. Thats the political price paid for the deep, deep unpopularity of Bush and the two wars he started.

And then the party turned itself over to a singular voice in Trump for now 3 cycles in a row.

I’m not throwing a pity party for the GOP’s inability to win the popular vote. 2016 and 2024 should absolutely have been GOP popular vote wins. The party is in shambles.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35797 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:07 am to
What I just described is a form of totalitarianism. When all aspects of your life and the people you deal/ associate with is based on politcal identification.

I have a cousin who is a liberal progressive living in CA. Does not like coming home because when he does the conversation with people he grew up with turns to politics inside of 10 minutes.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:08 am to
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If the GOP wants to have a better chance of winning this election, they’re gonna have to soften their stance on abortion.


Too late. Everybody remembers how the GOP rigged the court and enabled red states to shove extreme vigilante laws and near-total abortion bans down everybody's throats. This shite is deeply unpopular.

The GOP worked for years to get Roe overturned. But everything has a cost. You finally got your way, but now the bill has come due.



Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24083 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:09 am to
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Today we learned America relies on democratic processes


If we abided constitutional requirements to any reasonable degree, our idiot neighbors wouldn't matter nearly as much.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9553 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:09 am to
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They enable, support, and vote for this destruction of the country.


I respectfully disagree.

The American public is generally less-informed about many issues that they would prefer to know more about. They form their opinion based of the information that is made available to them ..... we are what we consume.

And therein lies the problem. It requires a lot of extra effort to research independent sources for information and the average voter doesn't have time to root through the garbage.

Of course, this is entirely by design from the administrative state that "manages" governance. The government utilizes third-party tech companies - IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE LAW AND THE CONSTITUTION - to control narratives, create distraction and chaos, and spy on US citizens.. And then they rely on the Big Media cabal to message, control and shape public perceptions and bury negative news.

We need to hold elected leaders strictly accountable, but first ... the mess in DC needs to be cleaned up.

Let's put the Legislative Branch back to work .... return to writing legislation instead of abdicating it to lobbyists.

Let's fix the immigration and crime issues by enforcing laws. And speaking of laws, let's begin enforcing them equitably while respecting Due Process.

This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:12 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:10 am to
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Since 1989, the GOP has won the popular vote once (and it took a war-time, incumbent President to do this).



Yes. The GOP is a minority party, but the political system is actually tilted in their favor thanks to the Electoral College and Senate.

Deeply ironic that many on this board think the system is rigged against the GOP. If anything, it is rigged in favor of the GOP. Despite that, the party still has a difficult time winning the presidency because of their own bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:13 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10317 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:12 am to
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There’s no data showing that a GOP candidate will ever “roll” to a win with the current electorate


It won't happen. Romney was correct in identifying that 47% or more of the Democrat vote is basically baked in automatic. These votes have already been bought and paid for, and they have the machine perfected to go get these ballots at a very high rate. The Republicans essentially have to thread a needle in specific key states, I'm specific districts with enough to compensate shenanigans in the urban districts to pull off an electoral victory. But the popular vote is cooked and finished, and this will not change.

We are very close to nearing a baked in electoral advantage in permanence with their new replacement soldiers. We will be following in the footsteps of Canada and UK in approximately 5-10 years without immediate drastic action like mass deportation, that likely won't happen.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9553 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:14 am to
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Deeply ironic that many on this board think the system is rigged against the GOP. If anything, it is rigged in favor of the GOP.


... or maybe, ... just maybe, ... there's really only one Uniparty
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14302 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:14 am to
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:16 am to
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there's really only one Uniparty


Is it the year 2000? Are you Ralph Nader? Riveting analysis, caddy.
Posted by cwil1
Member since Oct 2023
907 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:17 am to
“Democracy is only as good as the education that surrounds it”-Socrates
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
31658 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:17 am to
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People have tried to fight me
You have over 420,000 posts in 20 yrs, you're averaging +55 posts/day. People are sick of you.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18850 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:19 am to
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It's more like 25%, and they're easy to spot by the red hats they wear



Obese, purple-haired loons like you are easier to spot. Often able to smell you idiots from a distance too.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:19 am to
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What I just described is a form of totalitarianism.


-Tracking women's menstrual cycles with mobile apps
-Preventing women from driving on highways toward state borders
-Deputizing neighbors to punish neighbors for things that don't involve them
-Reclassifying birth control as dangerous controlled substances, and presumably imprisoning people for possessing them

Totalitarian indeed, Kiwi.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66500 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:19 am to
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Morality and virtue are the foundation of a republic and necessary for a society to be free. Virtue is the character to govern oneself according to moral law at all times. We have gigantic chunks of the populace that simply cannot or do not self govern. Crime, voting to enrich yourself, fatherless homes are just some examples of this. A free society will have trouble lasting over the long run as people take advantage of others and take more from society than they provide.



This is the actual problem and is also why Republicans are decreasing in number.

Traditional values are dying out and the country is following.
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35384 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:28 am to
Wanna know how I know this thread struck a strong nerve of truth?

BamaAtl, SFP and Leto II had multiple posts each on page one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465465 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:28 am to
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Republicans have gotten more Congressional votes than Democrats numerous times in that same time period.

I am curious how much gerrymandering plays into that, b/c that was one of the few electoral strategies where the GOP was innovative and effective.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35797 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:30 am to
Yeah, true conservatives are not about any of that. What you list is more oppressive than anything else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465465 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:30 am to
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Thats not demographics. Thats the political price paid for the deep, deep unpopularity of Bush and the two wars he started.


Bush didn't even win the popular vote in 2000, and did in 2004, while the wars were going on
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35682 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:35 am to
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I am curious how much gerrymandering plays into that, b/c that was one of the few electoral strategies where the GOP was innovative and effective.

Generally speaking, gerrymandering shouldn't have too much of an impact on nationwide votes for Congressional candidates, right? Both parties enjoy the fact that most of their seats are safe, and gerrymandering certainly cuts both ways.

For instance, in the South generally and Louisiana specifically, it is the Democrats who benefit from gerrymandering in the House districts, not the GOP.

I also suppose that this point should only apply to the House, since the staggered nature of Senate elections will skew those numbers one way or the other.

ETA: For instance, the GOP recieved 3 million more House votes in 2022 than the Democrats did. The GOP also got more House votes in 2016, 2014, 2010, and every election from 1998-2004.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:42 am
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