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re: The CIA has been secretly deploying MQ-9 Reaper drones over Mexico
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:28 am to lsu777
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:28 am to lsu777
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and as far as the religion etc around the cartel...that is more about the death threats to family members. Overall you are wrong on this part
I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
I'm talking about things like narco saints and the literal religion/cults that form around cartels.
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you are right that the cartels will exist for the most part until you completely collapse the source and you make it to where the average mexican has a choice economically and enable mexican law enforcement to be able to handle the cartels as they spring up.
The cartels would likely go legitimate once it's economically viable enough.
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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We didn't have drones 30 years ago
once again you are completely wrong. CIA's declassified museum at Langley has on display fully functioning audio/video recon drones that were in use before 1950. They had versions that were even the size of dragonflies (looked exactly like dragon flies) and had full realtime satellite communication.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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The cartels would likely go legitimate once it's economically viable enough.
Much like our modern labor unions who used to be all mafia
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm talking about things like narco saints and the literal religion/cults that form around cartels.
Dude...you trying to make a comparison to religious zealots and some mother frickers in the hills of Sinaloa bringing smokes and a bottle of mexcal to their local Jesus Malverde shrine before they go off on patrol is dumb.
No one is screaming "JESUS MALVERDE or SANTA MUERTE" like some cat screams "Allah Akbar" before detonating a s-vest in a crowded market.
It ain't the same.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:36 am to stout
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Much like our modern labor unions who used to be all mafia
All sorts of things, yes.
Now I imagine some cartels/actors in cartels are about the violence, but the leaders are about money/power. The goal is just to create legal economic outlets (the power will be maintained).
The rising tide lifts all ships.
This can work in Central America, too, which would not only have the benefit of decreasing our reliance on bad actors like China, but would also solve the illegal immigration problem from Central America (which we have seen with decreasing Mexican illegal immigration as they've economically developed in kind).
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:37 am to offshoreangler
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No one is screaming "JESUS MALVERDE or SANTA MUERTE" like some cat screams "Allah Akbar" before detonating a s-vest in a crowded market.
Does anyone think that we won't see similar behaviors if we engage in an real "invasion" in Mexico against the cartels?
Suicide bombings are functions of ability and opportunity, not ideology.
IEDs, too.
Anyone who thinks the cartels won't engage in actual terrorism in response is silly, IMHO.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:38 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:41 am to stout
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Finally, news of our CIA fighting FOR American interests.
I will believe it when I see it. Good thing this came out before any actions were taken on the ground [sarc]. CIA and CNN what a forking pair.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
I'm talking about things like narco saints and the literal religion/cults that form around cartels.
bro you are talking maybe 5% of the cartel at best that are like that. the rest is money and power play
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The cartels would likely go legitimate once it's economically viable enough.
and thats what we want. if you cut the violence...that is a huge start in and of itself
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:44 am to lsu777
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and thats what we want.
That's what you, me, and stout want.
I think there is a sizeable portion of baws who want to see violence/killing out of their desire for vengeance
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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All sorts of things, yes.
Now I imagine some cartels/actors in cartels are about the violence, but the leaders are about money/power. The goal is just to create legal economic outlets (the power will be maintained).
The rising tide lifts all ships.
This can work in Central America, too, which would not only have the benefit of decreasing our reliance on bad actors like China, but would also solve the illegal immigration problem from Central America (which we have seen with decreasing Mexican illegal immigration as they've economically developed in kind).
correct which was my point...you build true partners and you kill 2 birds with 1 stone...really more than that
1) drugs
2) corruption
3) violence
4) immigration
5) communism
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:45 am to lsu777
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correct which was my point...you build true partners and you kill 2 birds with 1 stone...really more than that
1) drugs
2) corruption
3) violence
4) immigration
5) communism
Yes
But it doesn't work with muh fight
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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That's what you, me, and stout want.
I think there is a sizeable portion of baws who want to see violence/killing out of their desire for vengeance
i mean i do want those bad actors to be killed but if they all laid their guns down tomorrow and went straight...would be good with that too.
but yea there are some here that want nothing more than senators to go to jail for corruption too...imo that helps me zero, just someone new to take their place...i.e. cartel...i would rather see the threat of jail used to influence votes and get the deep state so dismantled and have all those that are corrupt(dem and rep) in such disarray that it will take decades to rebuild and then come reelection time...release the info and have them get voted out.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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We didn't have drones 30 years ago
We had drones during Vietnam and some before... Not as high tech as today obviously but read up on the Ryan 147 as one example.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:50 am to stout
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CNN - CIA flying covert drone missions into Mexico to spy on drug cartels They are tracking drug cartels. Once the shite hits the fan, its going to be over quick for the cartels. We will have all of their sites, routes, etc figured out quickly and then the fun begins.
There are people on this forum who blame Americans for the 100k fentanyl poisoning deaths every year, they believe the cartels are simply supplying the drugs Americans want. They also believe the way to defeat the cartels is to legalize just about every illicit drug.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Does anyone think that we won't see similar behaviors if we engage in an real "invasion" in Mexico against the cartels?
Suicide bombings are functions of ability and opportunity, not ideology.
IEDs, too.
Anyone who thinks the cartels won't engage in actual terrorism in response is silly, IMHO.
agreed but we dont need to either. not with todays tech and mexico isnt a complete failed state in bed with the cartel like afgan was though
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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We didn't have drones 30 years ago
We've used surveillance drones for well over 40yrs
quote:We jail or execute murderers, but murders continue. Incarceration and/or execution obviously does not work. Why even bother?
We have taken out cartels, trained Mexican forces with SF, etc. for 30-40 years now. It doesn't work long term. The voids are filled quickly.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:52 am
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm talking about things like narco saints and the literal religion/cults that form around cartels.
These are not remotely comparable to the religious fanaticism of the muslim world.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Suicide terrorism is virtually always an issue of ideology
Suicide bombings are functions of ability and opportunity, not ideology.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:54 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Don’t get too excited. They are probably targeting CIA assets who know to much.
You're probably right. Still yet, I welcome this. The more of those bastards gone the better, imo.
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:57 am to NC_Tigah
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We jail or execute murderers, but murders continue. Incarceration and/or execution obviously does not work. Why even bother?
It's about engaging in action to solve the problem.
Funny enough, the solution there is largely the same with Mexican cartels.
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