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re: The American Healthcare System Is The Biggest Pile Of shite Ever Invented

Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:12 am to
Posted by Judnnc
Member since Jun 2025
180 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:12 am to
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And people will fricking defend it to the death (literally) before they'll ever consider a universal healthcare plan because "that's socialism"


correct. And because I dont want to wait six months for treatment when I get cancer.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3230 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:12 am to
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Insurance, Payment and the "Affordable Care Act" are not the health care system.


Why not? It's fine to explain why you don't think it should be there, but it's a firmly integrated part of the Healthcare system at this point whether we like it or not
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293914 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:13 am to
CJ/court system is.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43806 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:17 am to
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And people will fricking defend it to the death (literally) before they'll ever consider a universal healthcare plan because "that's socialism"


If we had universal healthcare based on Medicare then OP would pay more taxes instead of premiums. Medicare part B is 80/20 which means the OP would have to pay 20% of the cost of his kid's doctor visit. Medicare does not have prescription drug coverage. So the OP would be forced to either buy a prescription drug plan which would require a PA for a drug that costs $245, or pay out of pocket. So if you use your brain then you would see that universal healthcare would not be improvement. Basically the only difference would be that the OP would be bitching about the US government instead of his insurance company.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34840 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:19 am to
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Between my employer and I we pay $1,500.00 a month for employee +1 kid.


That seems really high.

I have the best BCBS plan my company offers for myself and two kids and it’s $1200 per month.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116638 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:19 am to
In the early 1950s I got sick late in the afternoon. Mom called the family doctor and he said "I'm about to close the office. I'll stop by on my way home." He walked into our house with his bag and checked me out. Gave me a shot and some pills. He then charged my dad $10. I wonder how much that bill would be today.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135324 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:22 am to
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Other than getting your claims paid aka paying the Healthcare providers for providing Healthcare services
You really don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by BrohemAlem11
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
13137 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:24 am to
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The American Healthcare System Is The Biggest Pile Of shite Ever Invented


you're being a bit generous imo
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7677 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:24 am to
Perhaps the main problem with our healthcare "system" is that we don't really have one. Instead, we have a Rube Goldberg machine that evolved almost haphazardly over the course of decades. It's a mix of socialism, capitalism, regulation, and perverse incentives. At least in my estimation, the ACA made things even worse. In short, no one ever "invented" our system, and Lord is it a mess. On the plus, side, you can still get some of the best treatment in the world.

Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1131 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:30 am to
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American Healthcare System


It's a crisis 30 years in the making.

The ACA created a federally mandated monopoly of sorts, where a cartel of a handful of major insurers are guaranteed the business of literally every taxpayer in the U.S. They have no incentive to suck less.

We are compelled to do business with them under penalty of law (tax penalties). And while the insurers are forced to cover pre-existing conditions and other liabilities, they can raise rates and rip the rest of us off with impunity.

It is unfixable. I'm of the mind that we need to deregulate and kick the plug out of the wall.

Let people contract directly with healthcare systems. For example, people could buy an annual family membership into the University of Whatever healthcare system which has hospitals, GPs, specialists, etc. Yes, it's complicated and needs to be worked out by each state based on their needs and facilities.

Something like that could work. As long as I'm king, I would also re-vamp the health insurance model to look more like the car insurance model. You pay cash for basic maintenance and only file for major events.

The model we have now is unfixable because the entire industry revolves around large, profit-driven organizations that provide zero added value. Insurers do not serve the interests of patients or providers. They are essentially shitty bank accounts that hold money. And they are backed up by the corrupt federal apparatus they own.

I'm all for profit, but it should go to those creating value: Facilities and service providers.

But yeah we're probably screwed because they own our crooked politicians, Ds and Rs across the board.

The sooner it collapses, the sooner it can be fixed. I had hoped that large-scale reform could be possible before my kids were of age. That is now seeming unlikely.
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
9097 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 10:45 am to
thank the democrats health care was reasonable till they got Obama care going
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135324 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:05 am to
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It's a crisis 30 years in the making.
60yrs.
It began with Great Society programs and regs. Those efforts have been as successful as the Great Society's War on Poverty.
Posted by Bigdawgb
Member since Oct 2023
3230 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:11 am to
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You really don't know what you're talking about.


Expand on your point, tell my why. Help educate me and everyone reading your comment. I'm serious.

Commercial & Governmental insirance programs make up the vast amount of funding in health systems. Your doctor's salary isn't coming from self pay patients. The money to buy equipment isn't coming from self pay patients. And the health system is going to try a lot harder to collect from insurance, because they're more likely to pay & more likely to pay larger amounts.

Again, you are free to explain why you think insurance shouldn't be so embedded in the system, but I don't understand how you can think the entire funding part of the system somehow isn't part of the system
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:13 am
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56793 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:12 am to
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The American Healthcare System Is The Biggest Pile Of shite Ever Invented


You have 1 person to thank for that.

Posted by Sharlo
Van down by the river.
Member since Oct 2021
1131 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:12 am to
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60yrs.


Yes, I get what you're saying. But 30 years ago it was still fixable IMO. Access to care was much better and most anyone could afford insurance and treatment. Got steadily worse up until the ACA, then went off a cliff.

All of the "great society" ideas ended up being expensive lessons learned, to some of us, at least.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56793 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:13 am to
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And people will fricking defend it to the death (literally) before they'll ever consider a universal healthcare plan because "that's socialism"


Healthcare went to shite after Obamacare was passed, which was socializing medicine. Your solution to the shitshow of socialized medicine is even more socialized medicine?

Obamacare was designed for 1 thing. To implement single payer. You actually thought it was about reducing health insurance costs?
This post was edited on 11/25/25 at 11:14 am
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35251 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:20 am to
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The American Healthcare System Is The Biggest Pile Of shite Ever Invented

Massive money-making scam tied directly to government agencies and the myriad industrial complexes.

FDA approves ingredients that are put into our groceries and food from restaurants.

Advertisers buy time slots to get people into those grocery stores and restaurants.

People eat the food and over time develop health problems from the ingredients approved by the FDA.

They see a doctor, who is funded primarily by big pharma. Big pharma pays for 60% of ALL NETWORK TELEVISION revenue.

Doctor prescribes meds produced by big pharma, who controls the national narrative with endless stacks of coin. Those meds contain more harmful ingredients that cause more health problems and the ingredients are approved by- wait for it- the FDA.

Now, you see the circle of corruption and perfect symbiosis between economic coropratocracy, government control and population gaslighting. Use the media to create confusion about "the science" and voila!, you've got tribalized factions of Americans shitting on one another depending on which narrative they consume. And all the while, they fail to see the man behind the curtain.

It's time to wake up and lift the veil. We live in a surveillance state under the illusion of freedom and liberty, and literally the only thing keeping the Establishment Etatist Kleptocracy from taking full control is the Second Amendment.

The sooner that everyone realizes that were in a state of existence manipulated by constant gaslighting and psyops, the quicker we can move forward.
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
3942 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:28 am to
Health (medical, dental, vision) insurance is a scam, as we all know. Made an initial claim 7 months ago on our dental coverage for my daughter’s braces. They’ve given us the runaround the entire time asking for various details/information that we’ve provided and then told us it was being process for payment six months ago. They tell us they need the TIN of our ortho and we’ve been attempting to get that from him without success. Yesterday, they tell us that providing the TIN was never necessary. They make the process so difficult they probably expected us to drop efforts with the claim.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
24983 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:47 am to
You can thank Obama for the privilege of subsidizing the parasite class by paying for their free medical insurance.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170438 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 11:51 am to
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If we had universal healthcare based on Medicare then OP would pay more taxes instead of premiums.

Why would it need to be based on Medicare?
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