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re: Thanks founding Fathers, Not!
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:52 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:52 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Melt Bitch, We Commin' 
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:55 am to aTmTexas Dillo
were all "crimes and misdemeanors" codified in US law when the constitution was signed?
I believe the term has its roots in English Common law, but I could be mistaken.
I believe the term has its roots in English Common law, but I could be mistaken.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:57 am to Wednesday
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Illustrated the difference between sin and a crime
So genius that line
Yes - that was the most memorable line I have heard in some time. Put a LOT of things in perspective about our constitution.
And for your entire post
Wish I'd read that before submitting my feeble attempt
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:57 am to CelticDog
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congressional foreign policy
Ottololololol
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:01 am to Jbird
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Never go full Rextard.
He went full retard - and wallowed in it.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:02 am to aTmTexas Dillo
They didn’t mean “people” in relation to the census and certain rights to include illegal aliens, either, but here we are...
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:03 am to CelticDog
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or you can say it was more like treason than a misdemeanor.
Holding congressionally allocated funds that were intended to be used in.the armed conflict between russia and ukraine.
I would argue that the Founders would be proud of our current President.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:30 am to Wednesday
I chatted with my grandson last night. He's a 1st year student at LSU who came in as a junior, having built up credit for two years worth of hours. He had scholarship offers to Harvard, MIT, Yale and Georgetown but he's been going with his dad and I to LSU games all his life. His love for LSU blinded him and he chose to finish up all of his pre-law studies at LSU and then apply to Harvard.
Last night, he said that he was with a core group of advanced pre-law students furiously trying to listen and take notes, but they finally gave up and just were so mesmerized that they could only listen.
When it was done, he texted me and said for the first time ever he regretted not taking Harvard up on the full ride scholarship and the opportunity to learn under professors of Dershowitz's stature, but that he wouldn't have traded the experience of being on-campus this year while LSU's football team was winning the national title.
I'm happy for him that he got to get that experience, and Harvard will still be there for him, but can you imagine the discussions in class, today, in law schools all across the country? That lesson in Constitutional law and discussion of the Federalist Papers will be discussed and dissected for many generations.
Last night, he said that he was with a core group of advanced pre-law students furiously trying to listen and take notes, but they finally gave up and just were so mesmerized that they could only listen.
When it was done, he texted me and said for the first time ever he regretted not taking Harvard up on the full ride scholarship and the opportunity to learn under professors of Dershowitz's stature, but that he wouldn't have traded the experience of being on-campus this year while LSU's football team was winning the national title.
I'm happy for him that he got to get that experience, and Harvard will still be there for him, but can you imagine the discussions in class, today, in law schools all across the country? That lesson in Constitutional law and discussion of the Federalist Papers will be discussed and dissected for many generations.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:33 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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This wording from the constitution is what has us in the mess we are in
I think you are confused. Sore losers have us in this mess we are in, and they are wiping their smug asses with the constitution in the process. Sorry if you're too fricking dumb to understand it
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:35 am to aTmTexas Dillo
I'm just over here wondering when we changes from "Founders" to "Framers" ? 
Is this just more word play by progressives to desensitize people to the real history of this country? to lesson the importance of the men who risk their lives and their families lives to create this grand country?
Is this just more word play by progressives to desensitize people to the real history of this country? to lesson the importance of the men who risk their lives and their families lives to create this grand country?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:42 am to TigerMuskyFanMinneso
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Please listen to Dershowitz' presentation yesterday where he completely explains the Founders' thinking and reasoning and their intent. Brilliantly done and pointing out why and what items were eliminated as grounds for impeachment.
I promised myself and professed in another thread that I will not listen to any of that stuff. I am disgusted that our "public servants" have put our county in this position. We are not in a time of statesmen but rather a time of simmering revolution. And there really is not room for moderation. Hence Nancy and Schiff and Nadler are trying to whip up sentiments for this revolution. In flipping the Senate in lieu of removing Trump they will succeed. Trust me I hope that doesn't happen but I see many R senators who seem hapless and desiring for things to be just as they have always been. God Bless Josh Hawley from Missouri though. And for those of you from Tennessee, kudos to Marsha Blackburn. Lamar Alexander, not so much.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 8:48 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Thanks founding Fathers, Not!
I appreciate your down votes but to a man you are missing my point. It is the vagueness of the definition of certain high crimes and misdemeanors that gives us abuse of power and obstruction of congress as acts that fall under that umbrella. I love this country as much as the rest of you and I am conservative as most of you but our country is to be governed by reasonable men and women and that is not what we have now. I think I'll give myself the one upvote.
It doesn't matter what Professor Dershowitz says if half the country doesn't believe a word he says. It matters instead what the intents of the opposition are. They want Trump gone, the republican senate gone and they want to put their judges on the federal bench at almost any cost.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:15 am to CelticDog
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Holding congressionally allocated funds that were intended to be used in.the armed conflict between russia and ukraine.
So in your dream world, if Biden beats Trump, the republicans get to appoint a special counsel to make sure this didn’t happen with him, right? With a broad scope?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:18 am to aTmTexas Dillo
You write a document outlining an entirely new form of government and get back to me in 230 years to see if everyone understands it to mean exactly what YOU wanted it to mean.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:27 am to Indefatigable
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There has not been a impeachment of a President in this country that wasn’t rooted in partisan hackery.
I feel Clinton's perjury/obstruction of justice was more than simple partisan hackery. In that case the media acted like the media and were the predictable hacks who tried to mis-categorize the nature of the charges as Republicans trying to come at Bill for "ridin' dirty"...there was a lot more to it than that but of course at the end of it all not enough Dems could put their partisanship aside to vote against WJC.
Even on it's weakest point, the Clinton impeachment was founded on more substantial ground, exponentially more substantial ground, than this set of trumped up articles.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:31 am to HubbaBubba
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and discussion of the Federalist Papers
As I said in the other thread, Dershowitz and others have really hit home the importance of reading the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers to truly understand why this country was created in the manner it was.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:46 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Reads:
Ponders: What are the odds that I'm probably going to downvote this post?
Immediately Concludes: 100%
*Proceeds to slap myself for even pondering it*
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Thanks founding Fathers, Not!
Ponders: What are the odds that I'm probably going to downvote this post?
Immediately Concludes: 100%
*Proceeds to slap myself for even pondering it*
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:50 am to BayBengal9
My complaint is not the form of government. It is instead the vagueness of the defining points for removing a president. Clinton suborned perjury. Nixon though not impeached, obstructed justice. I don’t know what Andrew Johnson did. But two of three could be argued to have committed certain crimes. Trump has not committed a crime. But here we are. I’ll let this rest. But we are in a battle with the other side. I have no doubt about that. And if they prevail get ready to take what they dish out. Only one of my two Senators is prepared to do that.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 9:55 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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My complaint is not the form of government. It is instead the vagueness of the defining points for removing a president.
The vagueness is because the laws that governed the people were not yet written, codified, and enforced.
What they said is you have e to break a law to be impeached. What law did trump break?
Your ire with the FF’s is misplaced. Your ire with the current congress and senate is not.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 10:03 am to aTmTexas Dillo
There is a LOT that the founders explained about the intent of the different sections of the Constitution that is contained in their letters, papers and speeches. It takes some reading. They didn't want the document to be 1,000 pages long.
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