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re: Texas GOP rejects Log Cabin Republicans
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:28 am to Ag Zwin
Posted on 2/6/20 at 10:28 am to Ag Zwin
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The problem with this thinking is that you are neglecting the significant chunk of people who will be alienated because you alienated their friends or who simply think this stuff should not matter.
Thsee people are not Republicans much less conservatives.
They are NEUTRAL on abortion.
They refused to endorse Bush Sr.
They refused to endorse Bush Jr.
They refused to endorse Trump in 2016.
When their board endorsed Trump this year a bunch of the local directors resigned.
Allowing them in the party makes about as much sense as allowing a pro abortion republican organization in.
Marriage defined as one man, one woman is AN OFFICIAL GOP PLATFORM
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:11 am to rooster108bm
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Allowing them in the party makes about as much sense as allowing a pro abortion republican organization in.
Exactly. And if that’s all a Republican pro-abortion group wanted to talk about, then it would be indistinguishable from allowing a pro-abortion group that isn’t Republican at all to have a venue. The net effect is exactly the same.
“We want to advance the cause of small government and we happen to be gay” is not the same as “we’re gay and we want to advance the cause of everything LGBTQxyz.”
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:15 am to Ag Zwin
Ironic that they ban the gay republicans, because as a party, the GOP can't stop stepping on their own dicks.
I'd rather a gay conservative over a straight liberal, any day of the week.
I'd rather a gay conservative over a straight liberal, any day of the week.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:18 am to Indefatigable
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If they vote for limited government and American conservative principles, who gives a shite about sexuality or who uses what bathroom?
Because both in the GOP and on this board, the religious right punches well above their weight. There aren't that man of them anymore, but people still fear them for some reason.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:20 am to Boatshoes
quote:You are addressing a different issue..
Prioritizing the economy over religion doesn’t give such people the right to throw people who prioritize religion over the economy under the bus. If you like your low tax rate, keep it, but get in the back of the bus.
This thread is not about what planks should ultimately be included in the party platform.
This thread is about precluding one group from having effective input in the debate ABOUT the party platform, by denying them a place to present their views on the premises of the convention.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:21 am to Flats
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Right, but if you had a “GOP Against Vice” group that focuses solely on outlawing tobacco, are you obligated to give them a booth because they also want low taxes?
You have to realize there are very few Conservatives on this board.
Most of these people can't comprehend what you are saying.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:23 am to ShortyRob
quote:And all those others get a booth at which they can present their views for examination by the GOP as a whole.
LCR voters still prefer Republicans overall in policy even if disagreeing on some issues.
That really probably describes every single faction in the party. You have people in the party who demand formal school prayer. But there are those who disagree. You have people in the party who would ban every form of vice type business, but there are Republicans who disagree. etc etc etc.
But not the LCR, because gays are icky.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:23 am to Indefatigable
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If they vote for limited government and American conservative principles, who gives a shite about sexuality or who uses what bathroom?
That's probably a bigger "if" than the article cares to cover. The assumption seems to be LGBTQ/Transgender are part and parcel with "American conservative principles". That question apparently remains unsettled for many Texas Republicans.
Respecting Texas GOP membership, they seem to be making a rational distinction between a Republican individual's personal beliefs and lifestyle choices and an organization's narrow political agenda.
I believe the Texas GOP is indicating it will not be manipulated or forced at gunpoint to promote a particularly narrow issue.
If sexuality and gender issues are inconsequential, perhaps it's best not make them so by organizing around them and promoting a narrow agenda. And if these organizations' individual members truly support "limited government and American conservative principles" the Texas GOP should be able to count reliably on their support and votes because the policies of the Democrats and Progressives embodies the antithesis of "limited government and American conservative principles".
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:25 am to LSUFanHouston
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Because both in the GOP and on this board, the religious right punches well above their weight. There aren't that man of them anymore, but people still fear them for some reason.
It's because they really will throw a tantrum and stay home.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:26 am to Flats
quote:”Obligated?”. No.
You have people in the party who would ban every form of vice type business, but there are Republicans who disagree. etc etc etc.
Right, but if you had a “GOP Against Vice” group that focuses solely on outlawing tobacco, are you obligated to give them a booth because they also want low taxes?
But failure to do so certainly does present the image of a myopic and tone-deaf party.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:29 am to Ag Zwin
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And either of these matter in government how?
That's not the point and you know it. The problem is Republicans want to acknowledge that LGBT are in their partty, but want to downplay it as much as possible.
It's a double standard, why can LGBT not have it's concerns addressed but everyone else can. We all know why, it's because the Evangelical Wing would be upset with any group getting pushed that isn't either in agreement or at least neutral to them.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:30 am to shinerfan
quote:American Politics.
they really will throw a tantrum and stay home.
Setting policy to placate those with the emotional maturity of a toddler.
(yes, “both sides”)
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:34 am to Flats
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Everybody does that. If you believe it’s wrong for a 25 year old to screw a 14 year old and you support statutory rape laws, you’re turning your personal moral beliefs into government policy
sure, but i can do that without it being based purely in religious beliefs and give objective reasons why it's bad
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:35 am to Boatshoes
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ALL government policy is a matter of belief.
OK you are both ignoring what i replied to, which were religious-themed comments. obviously "belief" means "religious belief"
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:37 am to FooManChoo
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Why is a religious motive not valid?
in America? we are not supposed to make policy based on religion. also, religion isn't really a rational or objective analysis system, so purely by the methodology used it's a bad way to do business. you also open the door for all sorts of other religions to do the same and that's chaos
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:38 am to 93and99
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You have to realize there are very few Conservatives on this board.
in the age of Trump, especially
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:40 am to Ag Zwin
The predictable response from the Texas State Democratic Party: LINK
quote:
“Texas Democrats are proud to champion legislation to end hate crimes, fight for non-discrimination ordinances, and advance LGBTQ rights because all of us are created equal. To every Log Cabin Republican, we have one message: You are welcome in the Texas Democratic Party. Come join us in the fight for equality and march with us as we strive for a more just, fair society.”
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:40 am to AggieHank86
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American Politics.
Setting policy to placate those with the emotional maturity of a toddler.
(yes, “both sides”)
Yes.
We keep giving into the toddler temper tantrums. At some point, the adults have to take charge.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:47 am to FATBOY TIGER
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Some morals are worth standing. Could be a mistake, only time will tell. Their sword to fall on so to say.
look dude, I don't support homo shite nor do I think its normal. But all you "Christians" need to get off your damn soap box and realize that all sins are equal. Some queer taking one up the arse is no worse in the eyes of God than you getting drunk. So gfys dude. We will need these people to win elections in the future. You don't have to hangout with them or pander to them but republicans should absolutely accept them if they're going to vote with us.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:1. Why is having a religious motive inferior to having a secular motive?
sure, but i can do that without it being based purely in religious beliefs and give objective reasons why it's bad
2. What standard to you abide by that is objective in your estimation?
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