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re: Texas GOP rejects Log Cabin Republicans
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:26 pm to Flats
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:26 pm to Flats
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According to Wikipedia NY was the last state to allow no-fault divorce, changing their laws in 2010. I had no idea the evangelicals had such a stranglehold on NY.
Thanks for proving my point that it's a big government position.
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Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:27 pm to Dale51
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You mentioned "outlawing divorce", when no one had advocated making either against the law.
It was advocated one post below mine, window-licker.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:33 pm to Esquire
Your claim was wrong. I’m sure you can find plenty of other evils to lay at the feet of American Christians, but divorce law in NY ain’t one of them.
I hear NAMBLA wants a table at the GOP convention. Only a puritanical bigot wouldn’t want them to have one, amirite? Get rid of big government, get it out of our bedrooms.
I hear NAMBLA wants a table at the GOP convention. Only a puritanical bigot wouldn’t want them to have one, amirite? Get rid of big government, get it out of our bedrooms.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:33 pm to Esquire
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It was advocated one post below mine, window-licker.
Bless your heart.
The context of the thread was a singular state's GOP and their choice. Then..somehow..it became making it a law??
Why are you anti choice?
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It was advocated one post below mine, window-licker.
You mean above yours?
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:33 pm to Esquire
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An actual conservative.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:35 pm to Flats
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Your slip is showing, but you’ve got plenty of company.
He's a handout seeker , yet he claims he's a Conservative.
You are wasting your time.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:36 pm to FooManChoo
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Why is having a religious motive inferior to having a secular motive?
My issues with the religious right aren't so much because of religious motive. It's because those issues tend to supress individual freedoms.
If you can't choose between banging a dude and banging a woman, are you truly free?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:40 pm to Dale51
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Why are you anti choice?
The original article could have been written by Vox. It was laughably bad, sensationalist and misleading, yet we have 10+ pages of people swallowing it whole. Not a single one has bothered to look at actual policy because they’re too busy white-knighting the alphabet crowd and wallowing in their religious bigotry.
If a group of straight college students from Austin (I know, but work with me) wanted a table at the GOP convention solely to push LGBT issues and they were denied, nobody would have written about it or cared.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:41 pm to FooManChoo
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Can you please provide your definition of small government? Are you talking about the size (number of agencies, employees, etc.) or the scope (number of laws, impact of laws, etc.) or both? Please let me know where the threshold is from small to big government while you're at it.
I'll give you mine, but it's akin to "you know it when you see it".
Generally, a small government has few, if any, restrictions on personal freedoms and choices, so long as the exercise of those choices don't impact someone else's ability to exercise their choices.
A small government lets legal, consenting adults do whatever they want to do, as long as it doesn't impact other legal, consenting adults from doing what they want to do.
A small government doesn't ban much.
A small government allows:
Gambling
smoking
drinking
recreational drugs
gay marriages
marriages between 3 or more
gun ownership
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If you can't choose between banging a dude and banging a woman, are you truly free?
You’re banging a straw man and nobody’s stopping you.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
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legal, consenting adults
A smaller government doesn’t try to define a “legal adult”. Why do you want to give the government so much power?
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:48 pm to 93and99
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He's a handout seeker , yet he claims he's a Conservative.
What handout have I sought after? Please be specific
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:50 pm to Dale51
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You mean above yours?
Maybe if you live in Australia.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:59 pm to Flats
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The original article could have been written by Vox. It was laughably bad, sensationalist and misleading, yet we have 10+ pages of people swallowing it whole. Not a single one has bothered to look at actual policy because they’re too busy white-knighting the alphabet crowd and wallowing in their religious bigotry.
You keep saying this. I've looked at several articles about this. On its face, it boils down to the Log Cabin Republicans disagreeing that marriage is solely for a man and a woman.
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A member of the committee went through each of the ten principles, asking Baker, one by one, whether the Log Cabin Republicans were entirely in accord.
Yes, absolutely, he said, until they got to Number 6 - support for “traditional marriage.”
Baker paused. “Well,” he said, pausing again, “Some do, some don’t.”
“Yes or no, sir?” he was asked.
“Our stance has been no,” he said.
They were done for.
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“I could not find anywhere on their website an expression of their faith in God like you will find on a Republican website,” Hall said.
In providing an official status on the Log Cabin Republicans, “we are abandoning our basic principles, one of which is foundational ... the issue of marriage only being between one man and one woman.”
In the name of creating a bigger tent, they would be inviting a poisonous snake into that tent that might appear to only want warmth and food but might bite and kille them as they slept.
If they said “yes” to Log Cabin Republicans, then, he worried, what about Planned Parenthood, Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
“When you start eroding our relationship with God you make us no different than the Democrats,” Hall said.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 2:59 pm to Esquire
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What handout have I sought after? Please be specific
You want your college debt forgiven.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:04 pm to 93and99
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You want your college debt forgiven.
Link? I doubt Navient is going to re-open my accounts and send all my payments back.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:14 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You keep saying this.
I keep saying it because in 12 pages not one person bothered to look at anything beyond the original article. They’re too busy killing countless straw men, completely unrelated to the article, and bemoaning their evils of people who have religious beliefs.
Before posting much on this topic I actually went to the LCR website to see what they’re about. Every single thing they say on that website is centered around LGBT stuff. You click on the topic that says “military” and the only aspect of the military they’re interested in is how gay it is. Student loans? Gay people are more adversely affected than straight people. It’s one big victim-fest. Oh, and we have to get all of the alphabet, trannies included, added to the Federal “Hell Yes You Can Sue” protected class list.
Now that’s fine, but let’s be honest about what they are. If they just happen to be gay people who want low taxes and small government, as numerous posts here falsely imply if not outright claim, then just join the GOP. Set up a booth that advocates for low taxes and small government. They’re the ones choosing to make their sexuality front and center, and THE foundation of all their political views. That’s traditionally not a good fit with the GOP, yet everybody wants to get their faux outrage on and pretend that gay sex is being outlawed. If you like, when I get on a laptop I can compile a list of the absurd, idiotic thing people have said for 12 pages based on nothing more than a single ha k article.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:36 pm to Flats
Every advocate group or lobby group has their own priorities on what policies they want to push. Many of the groups attending the conference are such, groups formed for a sole policy reason. That doesn't mean that's all they care about, but that may be a passion of theirs that they want to prioritize.
And on certain issues, the LCR can offer a different perspective on a situation. Like the gay wedding cake case. LCR wrote an opinion piece for FoxNews that defended the religious rights of the bakery, and suggested the couple could have bought a regular cake and had it decorated somewhere else.
And on certain issues, the LCR can offer a different perspective on a situation. Like the gay wedding cake case. LCR wrote an opinion piece for FoxNews that defended the religious rights of the bakery, and suggested the couple could have bought a regular cake and had it decorated somewhere else.
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:45 pm to Esquire
quote:You could make a similar argument about abortion and the intrusion and restrictions put on women. Point being that there's a difference between conservatives and libertarians and that while conservatives tend to disagree on several specific social policies regarding what people should be free to do, we don't necessarily hold to a libertarian stance on all social issues.
Supporting more government intrusion by restricting divorces is not conservative or small government. It's just evangelical bull shite.
quote:There were a lot of actual conservatives prior to Reagan and yet no-fault divorce wasn't something that was touched until the 1970's, nearly 200 years after the founding of our country.
An actual conservative.
This post was edited on 2/6/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 2/6/20 at 3:49 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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LCR wrote an opinion piece for FoxNews that defended the religious rights of the bakery, and suggested the couple could have bought a regular cake and had it decorated somewhere else.
Yes, they addressed that on their website, using it as a lead-in to bemoaning the lack of federal protected status that they want. Look for yourself.
I applaud you for at least looking for more information; you seem to be the only one who's done so besides me and a couple of others. It sounds like they have 10 essential planks, and you have to agree with all of them to have a table. I suspect it's always been that way, and I suspect that's pretty standard fair for political conventions, and I've never seen any crying about it before. Some things are negotiable, some aren't. They picked one that wasn't for the Texas GOP but apparently expected special treatment.
Now if there are other groups that disagree on one of those 10 and still get a table then they've got a consistency problem.
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