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You’re unaware of critiques of the report?

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There are critiques of everything. So I am curious, what is your view of the Moynihan report? I have always thought it was a fairly prescient effort.

I always had tremendous respect for Daniel Patrick Moynihan, even though I disagreed with many of his political views. At least he had an intellectual basis for them, and was willing to engage in reasonable dialogue and consider opposing viewpoints.

capitalizing black has to be exhausting.


but hey, virtues don't signal themselves.

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It outlines the logical consequences of chattel slavery and systemic discrimination but it ultimately pathologizes Black family structures by measuring them against white middle-class Northern European norms.

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The data Moynihan addressed reflected a divergence from what had been Black family norms.

Black marriage rates were similar to "White middle-class Northern European norms."

The two-parent household was not some alien White imposition on Black cultural expectations. It was the Black norm too, and one that Black communities themselves valued deeply.

LBJ and his WOP obliterated that.

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The data Moynihan addressed reflected a divergence from what had been Black family norms.

Black marriage rates were similar to "White middle-class Northern European norms."

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The divergence was the logical consequence of the abandonment of Reconstruction, Jim Crow, redlining, etc etc.

You’re implying that the effects of systemic discrimination are not residual.

ETA I don’t like how I phrased that. You’re implying that centuries of systemic oppression would not yield any residual effects.

I am sorry, did you mean to say this was in Baton Rouge??

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black...

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It outlines the logical consequences of chattel slavery and systemic discrimination but it ultimately pathologizes Black family structures by measuring them against white middle-class Northern European norms.

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Someone wrote a paper in college.

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You are talking about someone that was on here just astounded that a felon that she was tutoring was arrested again and is probably still driving around in a mangled minivan because she was hit by a "disenfranchised" person with no insurance and she didn't want to call authorities about it. Even though in Louisana you are legally required to call the police about an accident involving damage over $500.

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LMAO. Perfect.

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I'm not implying anything.

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Invoking the Moynihan Report at all carries strong implications, imo. It is and always has been very controversial. Based on previous exchanges, I don’t believe we are all that far away from each other in our interpretations of the root causes of some of the significant demographic disruptions and challenges experienced by the descendants of slaves in America.