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re: Tell me how the PRA doesnt apply to Trump
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:40 am to Strannix
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:40 am to Strannix
quote:Regarding Milley's dumbass. Don't get me started on him capitulating to China openly bucking his CIC.
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Milley flapped off the mouth politically, mocking Trump wanting to attack Iran.
Even if Trump told 17000 (in private or in public) reporters that Milley himself was advocating and making notes TO ATTACK IRAN.
In reference to Milley flapping off his fat mouth politically to taint Trump as a mad man reckless Commander-In-Chief-
Accusing Trump of what Milley wanted to do-Attack Iran.
It is not a crime to defend yourself from a POS. The second it leaves Trump's mouth it is unclassified.
If anything Milley was derelict and was surely a part of sabotaging his CIC via leaks about Trump being so stupid he needed picture color books for his briefings.
As well as the leaks that they had a hard time explaining military things to Trump like they were brilliant and then Afghanistan.
Can we get real & cut to the chase? No bullshite?
It is all so stupid and baseless in anything truly criminal. Everyone knows it. DeSantis was told the path would be cleared for him and this is it. Trump will be told he cannot run for President on the R ticket.
Ronna Romney already has a plan to stop Trump from third party.
So they are paving the way for DeSantis and now putting a bow on it for him. Some of us think that is the most low life disgusting thing. Some of us are secretly cheering it.
Trump won't be the nominee: if they have to jail him for a short time and we hear he Epsteined himself. Bongino is correct. I fear this. And it is horrid.
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Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:46 am to GRTiger
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Just because it's national security information doesn't mean it can't be retained under PRA. It's common enough that there is an exception in the PRA regarding FOIA specifically for national security information. The president can deny public requests for up to 12 years after records become available.
The 12 year wait has nothing to do with NSI and refers to "presidential records" maintained by NARA, not personal records kept by the president.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:47 am to cajunangelle
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So they are paving the way for DeSantis and now putting a bow on it for him. Some of us think that is the most low life disgusting thing.
You're getting disgusted by something you've created in your head.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:53 am to cajunangelle
Oh, stop. Just stop with your drama a histrionics about this and Donald Trump.
fricker trips over his dick constantly, almost intentionally, inviting drama and poking at the IC and FBI as well as DOJ and then acts like a 16 year old drama queen when they strike back.
On this, the dumbass was just fricking sloppy....sloppy. Sloppy gets your arse in a crack.
fricker trips over his dick constantly, almost intentionally, inviting drama and poking at the IC and FBI as well as DOJ and then acts like a 16 year old drama queen when they strike back.
On this, the dumbass was just fricking sloppy....sloppy. Sloppy gets your arse in a crack.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:54 am to KiwiHead
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On this, the dumbass was just fricking sloppy....sloppy. Sloppy gets your arse in a crack.
Exactly.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 7:57 am to Diseasefreeforall
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They've still got him under 18 U.S.C. 793(e). And whether the he lawfully or unlawfully possessed the defense secrets he showed to unauthorized people doesn't matter as 793(d) covers lawful possession.
No. That’s the espionage act.
1 - You have to convince the jury he was engaged in espionage.
2- the PRA was written more detailed for this exact thing. It will superseded. Espionage act wasn’t written for this. Trump isn’t a spy.
They are mis-applying a statute.
Not only will this get tossed, the judges will give them another dress down.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 7:59 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:00 am to mmcgrath
The distinction between personal records and presidential records is an administrative matter, as is the process of custody. It has been for every president and vice president since 1981.
It's hard to tell if we are still arguing whether this is a matter to be handled through the espionage act or if we've all agreed that is a ridiculous application of law and we've moved into the weeds on process.
It's hard to tell if we are still arguing whether this is a matter to be handled through the espionage act or if we've all agreed that is a ridiculous application of law and we've moved into the weeds on process.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:01 am to Strannix
And Donald's rating will climb another 5 points!
DEMs are on an outright desparation train....they see no way to beat him legitimately!
If the Ds don't win in 2024, they may not recover!
DEMs are on an outright desparation train....they see no way to beat him legitimately!
If the Ds don't win in 2024, they may not recover!
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:04 am to oldskule
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And Donald's rating will climb another 5 points!
Probably.
So many are deep in the weeds arguing about the application of arcane laws. They are missing the big picture that this in contrast with the treatment of Hillary, Biden, et. al. is proving Trump's point that our system is corrupt.
Why should we care about a case brought against Trump by a corrupt system?
Only to strengthen our resolve that this system must be destroyed.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:04 am to BobBoucher
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1 - You have to convince the jury he was engaged in espionage.
Nope.
The only question is whether they should have charged him with (d) instead of (e) as (d) applies to documents lawfully possessed.
The bottom line is that it wouldn't really matter if he was authorized or unauthorized to possess the docs as the statute applies to both.
quote:
(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:07 am to KiwiHead
Like Ron never tossed out MAGA hats with his handlers, moving his arms and repeating Trump verbatim, stealing his slogans, insinuating via his handlers, he is Trump with a filter. Those are facts you can't hush away.
As if our govt has never JFKed anybody. As if the documented evidence Tucker put out before he was fired didn't show they set up Nixon like they are Trump.
SEE Ruby Ridge, SEE Waco. As if Epstein really killed himself with the cameras not working in that time frame.
As if they aren't trying to stop Trump from running.
Some of you neverTrumpers said Ron wasn't even running. You were wrong.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:08 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:08 am to Strannix
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This will go to the Supreme Court, its over.
That is a fair prediction....and I hope it does!
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:17 am to Fun Bunch
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the President doesn’t actually have universal, absolute declassification power.
Wrong
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:18 am to Diseasefreeforall
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Nope. The only question is whether they should have charged him with (d) instead of (e) as (d) applies to documents lawfully possessed.
Let’s say you’re correct and the defense does not have to tie it to espionage.
They still have the problem that the PRA was written specifically and exactly for what Trump did - for him and only him. and it’s administrative.
The espionage act wasn’t. The indictment was written as if it was a fed employee.
In complex legal issues - judges will always refer to the more relevant specific statute. In this case the PRA.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:20 am to Strannix
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No crime = no obstruction, no false statements.
Gotta love the sophisticated legal analysis.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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That argument would defend, say, Joe Biden keeping documents relating to our nuclear weapons and the IT systems involved, declassifying them without anyone knowing, and then selling them to China. How does THAT make any sense?
There is one fundamental difference you seem to be missing regarding Biden and his documents.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:21 am to AggieHank86
It really is that simple in this case.
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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The trial will most likely happen prior to this. If he loses at trial, the appeals will be heard while he's in jail.
Every time you say something like this it makes me think you are a pretend attorney like AggieHank
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:22 am to BobBoucher
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Let’s say you’re correct and the defense does not have to tie it to espionage.
They still have the problem that the PRA was written specifically and exactly for what Trump did - for him and only him. and it’s administrative.
The espionage act wasn’t. The indictment was written as if it was a fed employee.
In complex legal issues - judges will always refer to the more relevant specific statute. In this case the PRA.
I think these charges were specifically chosen to not have to deal with the PRA.
This post was edited on 6/10/23 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/10/23 at 8:24 am to SlowFlowPro
The definition of Personal Records in the PRA:
The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and
(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President. Such term includes--
(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;
(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and
(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
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