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re: Telegraph Reporting That VP Vance Is Not A Fan Of Our Decision To Go To War With Iran
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:04 am to Rebel
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:04 am to Rebel
Knowing Vance, he’ll likely step up and speak his mind. Trump respects that. None of MAGA likes the traditional NeoCon/MIC warmongering but in this instance and as assuming the role of world leader it is the right thing to do.
Iran’s population is a very intelligent people and are well able to adopt just government outside of the fanatical Jihadist theocracy which has put them and all in the current situation. They are far more likely and able to be a Democratic Nation than we are.
Not to even mention the World threat of the suicidal Martyrdom model which the Mullahs embraced and imposed. Such would and does poison the whole Muslim immigrant community and any hope of living alongside their new peers. Europe is on the edge of bloody cultural revolution as is.
Sometimes the sword is warranted. Sadly so. Until the Good Lord takes the Helm, ruling “with a rod of iron”. Wherein “there will be no need that one teach another, as the Law will be written in the hearts of all”.
Iran’s population is a very intelligent people and are well able to adopt just government outside of the fanatical Jihadist theocracy which has put them and all in the current situation. They are far more likely and able to be a Democratic Nation than we are.
Not to even mention the World threat of the suicidal Martyrdom model which the Mullahs embraced and imposed. Such would and does poison the whole Muslim immigrant community and any hope of living alongside their new peers. Europe is on the edge of bloody cultural revolution as is.
Sometimes the sword is warranted. Sadly so. Until the Good Lord takes the Helm, ruling “with a rod of iron”. Wherein “there will be no need that one teach another, as the Law will be written in the hearts of all”.
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Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:06 am to LuckyTiger
It's good that the president isn't completely surrounded by 'yes men'.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:07 am to Gifman
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Iran and China killed President Trump, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, blew up the Pentagon, launched missiles that hit our military bases in Texas, Florida, Alaska, Hawaii, and Virginia, bombed multiple government installations, and openly declared their intention was to bring down the US government and replace it with a friendlier one, maybe led by Ilhan Omar… Would you say they were not at war with us?
Iran doesn’t have the capability to go to war with the United States. This is a military operation where Iran is going to be crushed and a regime change will occur. The regime change may prove futile, but this is not a war by any historical measure (as of now).
I guess we could always go to the dictionary.
"a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations."
Your narrow definition seems to require boots on the ground....an invasion of one country by troops of another. Panama and Grenada both involved boots on the ground, and Panama involved the capture of the head of state. I'd say this is more of a war than those were.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:08 am to rbm1
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Thats why I don't want J D Vance to succeed Trump! I want Eric Trump! Remember J D was opposed to Trump before he was for him. Why not reverse to what you wanted in the first place?
LOSER!
Did you mean to reply to someone else? Because I don't know what this means or how it applies to my comment.
Besides I'm liking "Little Marco", next.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:10 am to Gifman
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I bet you thought we were “at war” with Venezuela too.
Nope. Did Venezuela attack US warships or civilian targets of our allies in the region? Did they bomb the airport in Panama?
This post was edited on 3/2/26 at 6:12 am
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:11 am to LuckyTiger
It's true.
He is totally shell shocked and is isolationist
He is totally shell shocked and is isolationist
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:12 am to Rebel
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seems like someone is trying to drive a wedge.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:13 am to Rebel
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seems like someone is trying to drive a wedge.
Yes. And it is Marco Rubio and the neocon ratfrickers who have coopted Trump’s 2nd administration.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:14 am to Bronco11
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This reeks of BS
That’s my initial belief as well.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:15 am to LuckyTiger
Vance is clearly compromised. Trump needs to fire him NOW!
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:23 am to Gifman
Can't argue with that
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:26 am to BamaGradinTn
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Nope. Did Venezuela attack US warships or civilian targets of our allies in the region? Did they bomb the airport in Panama?
We're you born a blind ignorant fool or did you become that way watching The View 24 hours a day? Bet you would gave said in 1941 "did Germany attack our warships and bomb our naval base in Hawaii". Just asking
This post was edited on 3/2/26 at 6:30 am
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:29 am to Gifman
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We’re not “at war” the Iran.
English man. English
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:30 am to Victor R Franko
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If Trump, the Pentagon, JCofS, and the US military had slaughtered a million US citizens in the street....Nah , I wouldn't say we were at war. I'd might say we were being liberated if we'd gone through the same shite the Iranian people had for the last 50 years.
Nitwit.
If wholly corrupted entities in our nation’s national security apparatus had not repeatedly toppled regimes and played kingmaker in the Middle East, spreading violent chaos, destabilizing the entire region and leaving a trail of bloodshed in their wake, you might have a point.
Yet as it is, the United States has no standing to present itself as some type of moral authority on the global stage.
In a myriad of ways — going back to the 1950s — the United States’ interventions in Iran’s internal affairs has played a part in fermenting the Iranian Revolution.
Iran And The Shah. What Really Happened?
…Long regarded as a U.S. ally, the Shah was pro-Western and anti-communist, and he was aware that he posed the main barrier to Soviet ambitions in the Middle East. As distinguished foreign-affairs analyst Hilaire du Berrier noted: “He determined to make Iran capable of blocking a Russian advance until the West should realize to what extent her own interests were threatened and come to his aid…. It necessitated an army of 250,000 men.” The Shah’s air force ranked among the world’s five best. A voice for stability within the Middle East itself, he favored peace with Israel and supplied the beleaguered state with oil.
On the home front, the Shah protected minorities and permitted non-Muslims to practice their faiths. “All faith,” he wrote, “imposes respect upon the beholder.” The Shah also brought Iran into the 20th century by granting women equal rights. This was not to accommodate feminism, but to end archaic brutalization.
Yet, at the height of Iran’s prosperity, the Shah suddenly became the target of an ignoble campaign led by U.S. and British foreign policy makers. Bolstered by slander in the Western press, these forces, along with Soviet-inspired communist insurgents, and mullahs opposing the Shah’s progressiveness, combined to face him with overwhelming opposition. In three years he went from vibrant monarch to exile (on January 16, 1979), and ultimately death, while Iran fell to Ayatollah Khomeini’s terror.
Houchang Nahavandi, one of the Shah’s ministers and closest advisers, reveals in his book The Last Shah of Iran: “We now know that the idea of deposing the Shah was broached continually, from the mid-seventies on, in the National Security Council in Washington, by Henry Kissinger, whom the Shah thought of as a firm friend.”
Kissinger virtually epitomized the American establishment: before acting as Secretary of State under Republicans Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, he had been chief foreign-affairs adviser to Nelson Rockefeller, whom he called “the single most influential person in my life.” Jimmy Carter defeated Ford in the 1976 presidential election, but the switch to a Democratic administration did not change the new foreign policy tilt against the Shah.
Every presidential administration since Franklin D. Roosevelt’s has been dominated by members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the most visible manifestation of the establishment that dictates U.S. foreign policy along internationalist lines. The Carter administration was no exception.
What is the solution to modern Iran? Before listening to war drums, let us remember:
It was the CFR clique — the same establishment entrenched in the Bush and Obama administrations — that ousted the Shah, resulting in today’s Iran. That establishment also chanted for the six-year-old Iraq War over alleged weapons of mass destruction never found.
Therefore, instead of contemplating war with Iran, a nation four times Iraq’s size, let us demand that America shed its CFR hierarchy and their interventionist policy that has wrought decades of misery, and adopt a policy of avoiding foreign entanglements, and of minding our own business in international affairs.
This post was edited on 3/2/26 at 6:42 am
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:33 am to LuckyTiger
If legit he is probably worrying about the panicians and groypers. They have been extra melty over this.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:43 am to Gifman
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We’re not “at war” the Iran.
Right. The U.S. has not had a formal declaration of war since 1942. We've been the most peaceful nation in the world since then. No wars. lol
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:49 am to LuckyTiger
I would say that is a hypothetical and a straw man.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:54 am to LuckyTiger
quote:or you know they could be following protocol and KEEPING THE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
Vance has expressed his opposition to the action and has largely been outside the meetings, plannings, and ongoing monitoring of the attack on Iran
frick these media ghouls
This post was edited on 3/2/26 at 6:55 am
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:54 am to stelly1025
No one would care if you call this war or not except that democrats want this brought to Congress so that it is their choice. They hate Trump so bad that they will do the opposite of what he wants no matter if he is doing the right thing or not. I feel confident that the majority of the people who voted for Trump and more approve of what Trump is doing and would like for him to continue to fix the fraud and abuse that Congress and past Presidents have overlooked and to change radical regimes in Venezuela and Iran that past Congress and Presidents, democrats and republicans tried to negotiate with including giving them large sums of money. We should all be thanking Donald Trump for putting his life on the line to do the politics other Presidents were afraid of including immigration Biden said that a President couldn’t accomplish and taking on drug cartels who have killed so many of our country’s children. How about pray for the military success in Iran so that this doesn’t become war and that the Iranian people place a more conservative government that doesn’t oppress its women in power.
Posted on 3/2/26 at 6:58 am to stelly1025
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If legit he is probably worrying about the panicians and groypers. They have been extra melty over this.
You can label them whatever you want, but I suspect when the first real polling comes out over this you are going to see massive swings in support within the republican party based on age.
My prediction is that you will see universal support from boomer generation republicans, solid support from gen x, support will start to fall off with millennials and then fall off a cliff with Gen Z.
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