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re: Supreme Court seems skeptical of race-conscious college admissions
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:30 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:30 pm to David_DJS
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Whose beliefs are not internally-consistent? Sure, I suppose there are some people that don't agree with themselves sometimes, but they're looney tunes.
Much nicer way of saying you're full of shite. Bravo.
This post was edited on 10/31/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:30 pm to UGATiger26
Want to guess where sotomayor votes?
In an article she said this about Thomas
In an article she said this about Thomas
quote:
"I look for the things that they do that are good," Sotomayor said. "He cares about legal issues differently than me.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:31 pm to troyt37
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it is okay to discriminate according to race, as long as the preferred race benefits?
In Hank’s case - probably this.
I’m sure he will rationalize it though.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:34 pm to LordSaintly
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…John Roberts…
For what it’s worth, the Chief Justice is on record as saying essentially that the way to stop racial discrimination is to stop discriminating based on race in all forms, including college admissions preferences.
This post was edited on 10/31/22 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:34 pm to jatilen
Asian families stress academic achievement and a strong work ethic.
Contrast that to the “entitled” attitude of some minorities.
Contrast that to the “entitled” attitude of some minorities.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:35 pm to troyt37
quote:Racism is the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. Not all forms of racial discrimination arise from racism. In fact, most do not.
So you don't recognize racism when you see it
quote:And your sister wears army boots. Can we now dispense with the childish insults?
You're so full of shite, your eyes are probably brown.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:37 pm to AggieHank86
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If the institution can consider those variables, why can it not also consider race/ethnicity as one of many factors?
Because that's not the set legal standard for employment, housing, business access, etc.
I've seen far less labeled racist, this shouldn't get a pass because it benefits the black community.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:41 pm to AggieHank86
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Can the institution consider extracurricular activites in addition to composite score? State-of-residence? Family income? Legacy status? Choice for major field of study? Admission essay (why else force kids to write them?)?
If the institution can consider those variables, why can it not also consider race/ethnicity as one of many factors?
I would argue that all of things you cited above speak to the character of the individual applicant whereas race/ethnicity has no bearing on a person’s character … unless you think like a racist.
Should we judge people on the content of their character or on the stereotypes of their race?
I feel like someone spoke on this once.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:45 pm to AggieHank86
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The case does present an interesting question. If an elite institution has an admissions process that generates a composite score (based upon 10 entirely-objective criteria) and a minimum score of (say) 80 for admission, what is the institution to do if it has 1000 available slots but 1700 applicants who scored above 80? Presumably, that score of 80 is considered adequate for success at the institution. Must the institution change its standards and just take the top 1000 scores? Can the institution consider extracurricular activites in addition to composite score? State-of-residence? Family income? Legacy status? Choice for major field of study? Admission essay (why else force kids to write them?)? If the institution can consider those variables, why can it not also consider race/ethnicity as one of many factors?
Excellent points. Are you saying that the institution should be allowed to grant admission based on skin color?
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:51 pm to jatilen
The timing of this, right before midterms, is hella suspicious
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:53 pm to RoIITide
quote:Solely? Absolutely not.
Are you saying that the institution should be allowed to grant admission based on skin color?
One of many factors? I am a bit ambivalent. It seems unfair on its face, but at the same time I can see why an elite institution would want a diverse student body, so long as all applicants meet the admission standards.
From the perspective of a student who does not gain admission, but who is above the admission standard, is it really any worse to be denied admission due to ethnicity than to be denied admission due to the state in which one is born?
This post was edited on 10/31/22 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I would really love the justices supporting these policies to explain how excluding Asian students is benefiting minorities, generally.
It's simple really. You see, by excluding Asians, they are making more room for other minorities.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:56 pm to jatilen
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affirmative action
Racist and discriminatory
Posted on 10/31/22 at 4:59 pm to AggieHank86
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but at the same time I can see why an elite institution would want a diverse student body, so long as all applicants meet the admission standards.
So to be clear…if both students are tied identically with scores or whatever standards are met…would you agree that skin color could break that tie?
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:00 pm to dafif
Sotomayor continues to be one of the dumbest SCOTUS members in history.
The law is the law, not muh feels.
Her only consolation should be that her new colleague is about as dumb as she is.
The law is the law, not muh feels.
Her only consolation should be that her new colleague is about as dumb as she is.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:02 pm to AggieHank86
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If the institution can consider those variables, why can it not also consider race/ethnicity as one of many factors?
Just Googled your hot take on the Masterpiece cakeshop. There you were strictly arguing what the law is.
Here you're opening a discussion about what the law should be.
You're just a contrarian... A troll...
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:03 pm to RoIITide
quote:again, I am ambivalent on this point. I do not see a clear answer in the civil rights act of 1964, and I can really see both sides of the argument.
So to be clear…if both students are tied identically with scores or whatever standards are met…would you agree that skin color could break that tie?
Pragmatically, I think your scenario is extremely far-fetched. If there are a dozen different subjective factors to be considered above the objectivec analysis, I just don’t see any single one of those factors ever being absolutely determinative.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:03 pm to AggieHank86
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If an elite institution has an admissions process that generates a composite score (based upon 10 entirely-objective criteria) and a minimum score of (say) 80 for admission, what is the institution to do if it has 1000 available slots but 1700 applicants who scored above 80?
Take the top 80 of the 1700.
Let extracurricular activities/essays/interviews break ties.
What we shouldn't do is punish people because of their race.
You either believe in a meritocracy or you don't.
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:03 pm to jatilen
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This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 10/31/22 at 5:05 pm to Azkiger
Are you actually asserting that you do not understand the distinction between discussing what the law IS and what the law SHOULD be?
In any case, I think statutory law provided a clear answer in the Masterpiece case. Here, however, I do not think that the civil rights act of 1964 provides a clear answer.
In any case, I think statutory law provided a clear answer in the Masterpiece case. Here, however, I do not think that the civil rights act of 1964 provides a clear answer.
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