re: Supreme Court being formally asked to overturn Obergefell; gay marriage will fall

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Even if Ogberfell was reversed, it wouldn't change what the law was at the time of her injuring behavior.

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I'm not a lawyer but my "feelings" tell me that if a law is overturned any convictions or judgements based upon that law should be open to review. Is this not the case?

I'm no Kim Davis fan, just trying to wrap my head around this.

eta- nvm, I see it now. The argument would be that her original case was related to her refusal to perform her job, and although in her case it was over Obergfell, but her official actions would have the same effect regardless of subject.

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Even if Ogberfell was reversed, it wouldn't change what the law was at the time of her injuring behavior.

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I think it's going to fall, but this isn't the case.

States will have to be the plaintiffs.

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I'm not a lawyer but my "feelings" tell me that if a law is overturned any convictions or judgements based upon that law should be open to review. Is this not the case?

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Retroactive decisions are very, very rare.

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Roe was always destined to the same fate it met and so is this one. Gays should’ve gone through Congress

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Yup, both of them were pushed through and crushed previous state rights.

Long term that's why I see States winning.

The question I have is what falls first, the Trans case or the gay marriage case.

I think the Trans case get snapped back at the federal level where states cannot declare men women.

And Gay marriage goes back to the states, like any other license.

Agreed.

Also they need to be made illegal from adopting kids or getting a surrogate

I wouldn't say illegal, but it should be a very, very intensive and expensive process, and one that can't be fund-raised for. If you have to raise funds to have kids, I don't know if you should be a parent.

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Unless you can give me a secular humanistic basis for "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights..."

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That's how marriage became under the states purview?

Obergefell needs to be overturned with the quickness.

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That's how marriage became under the states purview?

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No, that's what our entire Constitution is based on.

Nor was that what you asked.

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No, that's what our entire Constitution is based on.

Nor was that what you asked

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You should probably reread my post. That way you can see how you immediately went off topic.