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re: study shows welfare prevents crime, quite dramatically
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:45 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:45 am to 4cubbies
Retail crime has been on the rise in the U.S., forcing some major retailers to even close locations in response.
A new report shows some U.S. cities have been especially hard-hit by organized retail crime.
Overall, retailers that participated in the survey reported that inventory loss — called shrink — clocked in at an average rate of 1.6 percent last year, representing $112.1 billion in losses. That’s up from 1.4 percent the previous year. The greatest portion of shrink — 65 percent — came from external theft, including products taken during organized shoplifting incidents.
For the purposes of the 2023 survey, NRF said organized retail crime is defined as theft/fraud activity conducted with the intent to convert illegally obtained merchandise, cash, cargo or cash equivalent for financial gain.
Based on the reported inventory losses, the NRF found that the cities most impacted by retail theft last year were:
Los Angeles, California
Oakland/San Francisco, California
Houston, Texas
New York City, New York
Seattle, Washington
Atlanta, Georgia
Sacramento, California and Chicago, Illinois (tied)
Denver, Colorado; Miami, Florida; and Albuquerque, New Mexico
This is the fifth consecutive year that Los Angeles has topped out the list after overtaking New York City in 2018.
“Retail crime, violence, and theft continue to impact the retail industry at unprecedented levels. The effects of these criminal acts are not isolated to large national brands or large metropolitan cities,” NRF said on its website. “Daily media reports show that no business is immune, and these issues touch retailers of all segments, sizes and locations across the United States.” LINK
A new report shows some U.S. cities have been especially hard-hit by organized retail crime.
Overall, retailers that participated in the survey reported that inventory loss — called shrink — clocked in at an average rate of 1.6 percent last year, representing $112.1 billion in losses. That’s up from 1.4 percent the previous year. The greatest portion of shrink — 65 percent — came from external theft, including products taken during organized shoplifting incidents.
For the purposes of the 2023 survey, NRF said organized retail crime is defined as theft/fraud activity conducted with the intent to convert illegally obtained merchandise, cash, cargo or cash equivalent for financial gain.
Based on the reported inventory losses, the NRF found that the cities most impacted by retail theft last year were:
Los Angeles, California
Oakland/San Francisco, California
Houston, Texas
New York City, New York
Seattle, Washington
Atlanta, Georgia
Sacramento, California and Chicago, Illinois (tied)
Denver, Colorado; Miami, Florida; and Albuquerque, New Mexico
This is the fifth consecutive year that Los Angeles has topped out the list after overtaking New York City in 2018.
“Retail crime, violence, and theft continue to impact the retail industry at unprecedented levels. The effects of these criminal acts are not isolated to large national brands or large metropolitan cities,” NRF said on its website. “Daily media reports show that no business is immune, and these issues touch retailers of all segments, sizes and locations across the United States.” LINK
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:50 am to stout
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True or false: Welfare created the ghettos which are the crime centers of every major city
True.
Welfare and other entitlements encourage child birth among groups who can't afford it, perpetuating poverty and crime.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:53 am to 4cubbies
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Manasi Deshpande
Should go back to whatever socialist hellhole they immigrated from
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:53 am to Robin Masters
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Anyone with a brain could figure out the only reason rich, white dems vote for welfare is to keep poor colored people out of their gated communities.
Bribes to keep the barbarians at the gates
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:55 am to 4cubbies
quote:Are you seriously trying to say 20 years ex post facto the reason crime increased was because handouts were eliminated? That's totally ridiculous.
terminating the cash welfare benefits of these young adults increased the number of criminal charges by 20% over the next two decades.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 8:56 am to LSUconvert
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It's crazy you feel comfortable talking about the military like this.
You think people in the military aren’t working?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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"Dont feed the animals, it causes dependency."
Same for humans, handouts lead to dependency.
When something is easy, or free, more "customers" come to take advantage of it.
This is true in everything from illegal immigration to highway expansion to welfare.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:03 am to 4cubbies
quote:
study shows welfare prevents crime, quite dramatically
This is emblematic of poor data being used poorly.
Let's look at the very first paragraph summarizing the study:
quote:
A new paper in the Quarterly Journal of Economics, published by Oxford University Press, indicates that removing cash welfare from children when they reach age 18 greatly increases the chances that they will face criminal justice charges in subsequent years.
Taking someone who has grown up thinking money just comes for free from the government and then cutting off those free funds can have adverse effects? File this under "no shite" just above "cutting off an addict's access to drugs causes them to react violently". Let me make this clear, this isn't welfare "preventing crime" (otherwise high-density Section 8 housing would be the safest neighborhoods around, instead they are the opposite), it's welfare being an addictive crutch.
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“Traditionally, economists talk about the income effects of welfare programs in the context of the formal labor market—that welfare discourages work,” said the paper’s authors, Manasi Deshpande and Michael Mueller-Smith. “What we find is that the income effect of welfare benefits can also manifest as reductions in criminal activity. In fact, in the SSI context, cash welfare has a much larger discouragement effect on criminal activity than it does on formal work.”
This is (whether intended or not) a quiet advocation for basically paying extortion money to people who grew up on the welfare system in the hopes it will be enough to keep them from committing crimes. At best we could label it as advocating for UBI (and we see how piss-poor an idea that was with the inflation the stimulus checks causes). Neither option is acceptable, much less desirable.
If I had to gamble, my bet would be that the authors went into this with their stance already ingrained and are now viewing it through a distorted lens in order to express their findings in a manner which dovetails into their views.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:07 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:10 am to Privateer 2007
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Long term, we need to get people to have pride in themselves. Support families. Be involved with kids. Welfare discourages all this.
We need to cut welfare by 5%/year for 20 years and be done with it.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:11 am to 4cubbies
so if you give people money, who didn't have money, some of them might not commit a crime to go out and acquire money.
did we need a study to know this?
did we need a study to know this?
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:14 am to LSURussian
quote:so do you think they are lying about their findings? Or do you think there’s another reason for the increased crime over 20 years?
Are you seriously trying to say 20 years ex post facto the reason crime increased was because handouts were eliminated? That's totally ridiculous.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:16 am to 4cubbies
The study shows what it was created to show.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:19 am to 4cubbies
quote:'
so do you think they are lying about their findings?
Yes.
quote:
Or do you think there’s another reason for the increased crime over 20 years?
Democrat policies and the increasing Feminization of America.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:22 am to 4cubbies
Are you triple boosted?
I hear there's a new, untested Vaccine the "experts" are pushing.....you gonna rush out and get it then rush to Social Media to tell everyone who refuses to get the vax they shouldn't be allowed to travel or work?
I'm now going to officially rename you "4Karens".....
I hear there's a new, untested Vaccine the "experts" are pushing.....you gonna rush out and get it then rush to Social Media to tell everyone who refuses to get the vax they shouldn't be allowed to travel or work?
I'm now going to officially rename you "4Karens".....
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:22 am to lsusteve1
quote:if that were true, why do we still have people committing crimes worthy of death sentences? The death penalty existed since our country was colonized.
Death Penalty would be better deterrent for crime.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:24 am to 4cubbies
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if that were true, why do we still have people committing crimes worthy of death sentences?
How many crimes have those people committed after they were executed ?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:25 am to 4cubbies
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if that were true, why do we still have people committing crimes worthy of death sentences?
Because these worthless subhumans know they have advocates like 4Karens working overtime to make sure they are released back to the streets to commit more murder and rape.
You have blood on your hands.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:31 am to 4cubbies
quote:Of course they're lying. Or stupid. Or both.
so do you think they are lying about their findings?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:38 am to 4cubbies
As another poster stated, "that if this were so, Orleans would have the lowest crime rate in the nation."
It's why "welfare" is the wrong tag for it.
They are in reality "pacification payments."
In the classical and Middle Ages it was called "tribute."
Things never really change.
The monasteries used to pay tribute to the Vikings.
The idea was to pay them off so they would quit sacking them.
The Vikings would take the money and sack the monasteries anyway.
Pacification payments have never worked.
The crime continues in Orleans. It's now rare that one doesn't have a friend or relative who hasn't been touched by it.
We're still having 20 cars a day stolen, in addition to the violent crime.
It hasn't helped in any way the attitude either that's experienced at the check-out counters.
Those who pay in cash still have to wait, and wait, in line behind them while they're trying to get their EBT cards to work.
Regale us. Was the original purpose of welfare to cut down on crime. It seems some take the money and will crawl through your window anyway.
From the late 80's to the early 90's, during the height of the welfare largesse, we were experiencing the crack epidemic, and the crime was through the roof.
Kids were also involved in it.
One of them who had somehow gotten arrested along with other adults, and who should've gone to Juvenile, died right in front of us as a result of swallowing a handful of crack rocks, attempting to get rid of evidence.
And the crime wasn't relegated to welfare recipients. It was those memorable days of Annette Frank and Len Davis among others who had been hired by the NOPD.
It was during the time that they had "relaxed" the qualifications for joining the force.
Also it was the time the Feds were investigating the NOPD in something they called Operation Shattered Shield.
The city was rockin' and we were keepin' it real.
BTW, did they happen to mention to you in your sociology courses at UNO that project dwellers were lending each other their kids for when the state welfare workers would come around to document the number of children each family had, which would determine the amount of largesse they'd receive.
The case workers couldn't have not known that in many instances they were counting other families' kids over and over.
The rip-off has been through the roof for at least 50 years. Some assess it as now being in the trillions of dollars.
It's why "welfare" is the wrong tag for it.
They are in reality "pacification payments."
In the classical and Middle Ages it was called "tribute."
Things never really change.
The monasteries used to pay tribute to the Vikings.
The idea was to pay them off so they would quit sacking them.
The Vikings would take the money and sack the monasteries anyway.
Pacification payments have never worked.
The crime continues in Orleans. It's now rare that one doesn't have a friend or relative who hasn't been touched by it.
We're still having 20 cars a day stolen, in addition to the violent crime.
It hasn't helped in any way the attitude either that's experienced at the check-out counters.
Those who pay in cash still have to wait, and wait, in line behind them while they're trying to get their EBT cards to work.
Regale us. Was the original purpose of welfare to cut down on crime. It seems some take the money and will crawl through your window anyway.
From the late 80's to the early 90's, during the height of the welfare largesse, we were experiencing the crack epidemic, and the crime was through the roof.
Kids were also involved in it.
One of them who had somehow gotten arrested along with other adults, and who should've gone to Juvenile, died right in front of us as a result of swallowing a handful of crack rocks, attempting to get rid of evidence.
And the crime wasn't relegated to welfare recipients. It was those memorable days of Annette Frank and Len Davis among others who had been hired by the NOPD.
It was during the time that they had "relaxed" the qualifications for joining the force.
Also it was the time the Feds were investigating the NOPD in something they called Operation Shattered Shield.
The city was rockin' and we were keepin' it real.
BTW, did they happen to mention to you in your sociology courses at UNO that project dwellers were lending each other their kids for when the state welfare workers would come around to document the number of children each family had, which would determine the amount of largesse they'd receive.
The case workers couldn't have not known that in many instances they were counting other families' kids over and over.
The rip-off has been through the roof for at least 50 years. Some assess it as now being in the trillions of dollars.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 10:14 am
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