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re: study shows welfare prevents crime, quite dramatically

Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:20 am to
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27976 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:20 am to
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is this really true?


Holy frick. You going to be surprised the sun is set to rise tomorrow morning too?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:22 am to
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White liberals didn't create the problem, they created the temptations


Black people were kidnapped from their homes and brought to this country to be enslaved and produce wealth for white plantation owners.

They were eventually “liberated” 100 years later and were forbidden from voting or participating in government. Many were hunted down and murdered because they had the wrong skin color. They were denied loans and property. They had a difficult time finding work. All these problems were through no fault of their own. Generations of people have been exploited and treated like garbage and now we’re like “why are you angry? Just go get a job! If you graduate from high school you can make $10/hour and be middle class!”
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:23 am to
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is this really true?


Generally, yes (there may be some program out there which is all or nothing, but I don't know of any). Section 8, for instance is set to 3 tiers (Low, Very Low and Extremely Low) and those tiers are set geographically: HUD site. Let's say you get a raise and it puts you $10 into the next tier, you are likely losing (depending on location) 10x in benefits just from Section 8. Now expand that loss to multiple programs (the tiers are different for different programs, which likely adds to the resistance to someone being able to work their way off of them).
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 10:26 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:23 am to
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They were eventually “liberated” 100 years later and were forbidden from voting or participating in government. Many were hunted down and murdered because they had the wrong skin color. They were denied loans and property. They had a difficult time finding work. All these problems were through no fault of their own.


Its been 160 years since slavery, 60 since the end of Jim Crowe

You've got to stop keeping black people down. You truly believe that they cannot compete with white people.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:26 am to
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Its been 160 years since slavery, 60 since the end of Jim Crowe
that’s debatable. Arguments can be made that Jim Crowe is alive and well today.

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You've got to stop keeping black people down.
ok.

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You truly believe that they cannot compete with white people.
you do this CONSTANTLY. you are always telling me what I believe and don’t believe and it’s has never ever aligned with reality. Just stop. I can speak for myself.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27976 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:27 am to
That post was in response to this:

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White liberals caused the destruction of the black family through their welfare subsidies and introduction of crack into black communities.


Move goalposts much?
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
9287 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:27 am to
You can choose to believe this study without knowing how they arrived at their conclusion. Or you can look at the crime stats for your local ghetto and make you own conclusion. I know which one I trust.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:28 am to
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the (tiers are different for different programs, which likely adds to the resistance to someone being able to work their way off of them).
Thanks for the information.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44643 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:28 am to
Study shows heroin prevents opiate withdrawal symptoms.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:28 am to
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You truly believe that they cannot compete with white people.
you do this CONSTANTLY.


You even say it. You believe slavery and segregation put them behind and they cannot catch up without your help.

While being blind to the fact that welfare is whats keeping them down, not Great Grandpas days of segregation.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27976 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:30 am to
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Just go get a job! If you graduate from high school you can make $10/hour and be middle class!”


Also frick this.

I temporarily did construction, zero experience, to help an old high school buddy out who axed his old crew.

25 an hour. And the rest of the people he hired on were Hispanics who couldn't speak a lick of English.

There are jobs out there, but they might be 10-16 hour shifts working in the summer heat...
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6622 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:30 am to
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maybe even genetic predisposition for some groups


Speak to this.

Which groups?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:30 am to
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You even say it.
you also do this CONSTANTLY. But you can never quote posts of mine that say the things you claim I said. Give it up.

Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25891 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:32 am to
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Just stop. I can speak for myself.


....but you probably shouldn't.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:32 am to
Ah, the old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps. White men do it all the time” argument.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:32 am to
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Black people were kidnapped from their homes


That's Roots-level re-writing of history and it's largely horseshite.

During almost the entirety of the North Atlantic Slave Trade, a European venturing even a mile inland into the coast of Africa was far more likely to catch a good case of death from malaria than they were to catch a potential slave.

The vast majority of slaves from Africa were already enslaved by other Africans (the result from tribal warfare) and were subsequently purchased from those Africans.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35430 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:33 am to
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It contributes but isn't the cause. The cause is children growing up without a father and an intact, healthy, family structure in which to learn morals and values.


Different side of the same coin. Welfare destabilizes the family unit, because the government replaces the father. Single women qualify for more benefits than married women. It's a vicious cycle.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:33 am to
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The vast majority of slaves from Africa were already enslaved by other Africans (
who kidnapped them from their homes…

How does that contradict what I said?

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27976 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:34 am to
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Ah, the old “pull yourself up by your bootstraps. White men do it all the time” argument.


No, the ol' if you're capped out at 10 dollars an hour you're not trying argument.

Seriously, what 30 year old can't be worth more? Outside of mental and physical defects, you should be able to develop some skill other than clubbing and fricking.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 10:35 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61110 posts
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:36 am to
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you should be able to


Should-ing on people. That usually helps.
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