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re: study shows welfare prevents crime, quite dramatically
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:40 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Welfare and other entitlements encourage child birth among groups who can't afford it, perpetuating poverty and crime.
It contributes but isn't the cause. The cause is children growing up without a father and an intact, healthy, family structure in which to learn morals and values. Until the black community can figure out how to deal with that issue, nothing will change for them. Listening to liberals telling them it's not their fault damn sure won't lead them in a positive direction. That victim mentality allows someone to blame their problems on others therefore no reason for them to make any changes...
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Posted on 10/26/23 at 9:53 am to 4cubbies
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so do you think they are lying about their findings?
Yes. They likely aren't lying about the data, but they just as likely went into the study with preconceived notions and are now purposely filtering the data through those notions in an attempt to frame their findings to fit their preconceptions.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:01 am to 4cubbies
ok this is kind of duh study but it doesnt attack the issue, just treats the symptom
most can agree that usually(90%+) crime is associated with income levels.
ok well if we know poverty breeds crime...shouldnt we attack poverty?
giving welfare does not attack poverty and in fact encourages it. By continuing to give more money to single mothers and for more kids, you are encouraging that behavior.
shouldnt we instead attack the real issues?
1) culture where the father is no longer present
2) culture where education is not valued but instead is seen as a negative
3) culture that glorifies criminal behavior
would seem to me those are the true cause of the sickness that is generational poverty.
or is your position...we should continue to steal from the "rich" to give to the poor?
i mean we have statistics that if you just do the following you have over a 90% chance of becoming middle class
1) graduate hs
2) get and hold a job starting at 18
3) do not have kids or get married until 27+
4) do not have a criminal record
i mean 4 pretty simple steps to becoming middle class yet your suggestion is we should continue indefinitely the theft that is social welfare?
most can agree that usually(90%+) crime is associated with income levels.
ok well if we know poverty breeds crime...shouldnt we attack poverty?
giving welfare does not attack poverty and in fact encourages it. By continuing to give more money to single mothers and for more kids, you are encouraging that behavior.
shouldnt we instead attack the real issues?
1) culture where the father is no longer present
2) culture where education is not valued but instead is seen as a negative
3) culture that glorifies criminal behavior
would seem to me those are the true cause of the sickness that is generational poverty.
or is your position...we should continue to steal from the "rich" to give to the poor?
i mean we have statistics that if you just do the following you have over a 90% chance of becoming middle class
1) graduate hs
2) get and hold a job starting at 18
3) do not have kids or get married until 27+
4) do not have a criminal record
i mean 4 pretty simple steps to becoming middle class yet your suggestion is we should continue indefinitely the theft that is social welfare?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:02 am to lake chuck fan
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It contributes but isn't the cause. The cause is children growing up without a father and an intact, healthy, family structure in which to learn morals and values. Until the black community can figure out how to deal with that issue, nothing will change for them. Listening to liberals telling them it's not their fault damn sure won't lead them in a positive direction. That victim mentality allows someone to blame their problems on others therefore no reason for them to make any changes...
its a cycle...they have kids and dont get married because they get more money from the gov.....this breeds more fatherless children who repeat the cycle.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:04 am to lake chuck fan
quote:white liberals created that issue but it’s on the black community to rectify it? White liberals caused the destruction of the black family through their welfare subsidies and introduction of crack into black communities.
Until the black community can figure out how to deal with that issue, nothing will change
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:06 am to lsu777
quote:And yall call me naive.
i mean 4 pretty simple steps to becoming middle class
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:07 am to Bard
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but they just as likely went into the study with preconceived notions and are now purposely filtering the data through those notions in an attempt to frame their findings to fit their preconceptions.
This can be said about the vast majority of research.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:08 am to lake chuck fan
quote:quote:
Welfare and other entitlements encourage child birth among groups who can't afford it, perpetuating poverty and crime.
It contributes but isn't the cause. The cause is children growing up without a father and an intact, healthy, family structure in which to learn morals and values.
Yes and no. It's been a driver for so long that it's become a cause as it's created an entire culture which revolves around working the system to maximum benefit.
Welfare benefits are generally set out in income tiers. You get benefits ranging from x-y if your income is from a-b. If you move into a higher income bracket, even by just a single dollar, you move into a lower benefits bracket (meaning it's not a 1:1 trade). Due to this it's not uncommon for retail employers to have employees who will not work beyond a certain number of hours (in order to not take a hit to their bottom line by earning too much).
Welfare benefits give more per-head based on being in a single-parent household, if the child or children have some sort of "disability" (in quotes because things like SSI consider any sort of acting out to be a "behavioral problem" - see: "crazy checks"), etc. In other words, the system penalizes constructive behavior and rewards destructive behavior. Along with that, it's very simple to get on these programs but it can be extremely difficult to work your way off of them (due to the aforementioned increase in cost burden due to moving up only slightly in income levels).
This has made use of welfare into its own perpetual motion machine where energy actually increases over time.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
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i mean 4 pretty simple steps to becoming middle class
And yall call me naive.
Anyone with cognitive abilities of an 8th grader can achieve middle class.
It requires some discipline which is why many are stuck in poverty, and will continue to be as long as the taxpayer is keeping them alive.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:09 am to 4cubbies
Society is reaching a tipping point where you have a large chunk of multi-generation families that have never worked a day in their lives and are completely sustained by federal handouts. You are asking people who have only known working the system and scamming taxpayers to work an honest real job that requires discipline. It won't ever happen.
If the goal of the fedgov is to discourage work they're doing a FANTASTIC job of it. I actually do believe that's their goal, to destroy and demoralize the middle class by robbing them of their earnings and giving it away to the lowest common denominator.
Their new hyper-centralized top-down model of government requires the destruction of the middle class.
The rich/elite will get theirs as they're the architects of the system, and the poor have no stake in the game, so they don't care one way or another.
If the goal of the fedgov is to discourage work they're doing a FANTASTIC job of it. I actually do believe that's their goal, to destroy and demoralize the middle class by robbing them of their earnings and giving it away to the lowest common denominator.
Their new hyper-centralized top-down model of government requires the destruction of the middle class.
The rich/elite will get theirs as they're the architects of the system, and the poor have no stake in the game, so they don't care one way or another.
This post was edited on 10/26/23 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:10 am to LSURussian
quote:what are your ideas about the 20 year increase in crimes?
Of course they're lying. Or stupid. Or both.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:10 am to 4cubbies
Sounds like the old Mob protection racket:
Pay us and we will not destroy your business/ burn your house to the ground.
Pay us and we will not destroy your business/ burn your house to the ground.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:10 am to Privateer 2007
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Long term, we need to get people to have pride in themselves. Support families. Be involved with kids. Welfare discourages all this.
That used to happen. Then, we let people convince us that sending our good jobs to foreign countries was good for us.
Greed fricked us as usual, and I can't necessarily blame a man for turning to crime instead of an $8 an hour Subway job.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:11 am to tiggerthetooth
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Society is reaching a tipping point where you have a large chunk of multi-generation families that have never worked a day in their lives and are completely sustained by federal handouts.
Theyre institutionalized through government handouts.
You can never fix them, its become their reality.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:14 am to Bard
quote:is this really true? I’m under the impression that it’s generally all or nothing. You qualify and if your income falls under the qualifying threshold by even $1, you get nothing. That, of course, encourages people not to get off welfare. If someone can get a job but can’t pay for rent and utilities with the income from the job, they would need to forego getting a job to stay afloat using welfare benefits.
Welfare benefits are generally set out in income tiers. You get benefits ranging from x-y if your income is from a-b. If you move into a higher income bracket, even by just a single dollar, you move into a lower benefits bracket (meaning it's not a 1:1 trade).
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
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white liberals created that issue but it’s on the black community to rectify it?
White liberals didn't create the problem, they created the temptations.
Like always, the problem cannot be solved unless the person involved wants the problem to be solved.
No one can make the black community stop all the detrimental behavior, they have to want to stop and try to stop before anything can improve.
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:16 am to 4cubbies
quote:Broken Windows Syndrome
what are your ideas about the 20 year increase in crimes?
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:18 am to 4cubbies
A JOB prevents welfare.......quite dramatically
Posted on 10/26/23 at 10:19 am to TSLG
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Greed fricked us as usual, and I can't necessarily blame a man for turning to crime instead of an $8 an hour Subway job.
frick you and the cave man who didn't get the free education I paid for.
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