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re: Study shows Pot is starting to effect healthcare and educational costs
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:10 am to Jjdoc
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:10 am to Jjdoc
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You understand that POT effects higher thinking ability.
Yes, does prolonged alcohol not have cognitive effect? Should we go back to prohibition because of that, as well?
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Second, who are you going to tax to pay for the healthcare and educational costs?
What about the cost of jobs. Will there be an effect on these kids being able to work and hold a job?
Once again, who currently pays the cost of liver failure, DWI accidents, etc. Im sure there will be, but it is still a competitive market place. If the kid cant keep up, he will end up in a lower level position. Cause and effect. If you are talking about effects on businesses, if they do not demote/fire the under performer, that is on them.
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Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:12 am to Jjdoc
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Is this why you are not "hearing" that it's promoted as a cure for morning sickness?
I've never heard that before this thread and I doubt white trash pregnant women smoking pot have relied on such studies to make their choice. That involves reading and following the news very closely, something I'll go out on a limb and say the majority don't.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:13 am to Jjdoc
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Do want others
I would like just one that shows that hundreds die yearly from fatal marijuana overdoses.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:14 am to Jjdoc
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Yes I did. Do want others? Like maybe the study showing the massive increase in traffic deaths?
Alcohol should be illegal. True or false
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:16 am to Jjdoc
As a medical doctor do you have first hand experience of someone dying from a marijuana overdose?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:19 am to Jjdoc
quote:Yes. It is. You fricking tool, and the reason conservatives lose.
Yes they have. Even here, people sell it as safer than beer.
It's not.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:19 am to Breesus
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post it.
Have and will again.
Let's start with 2014..
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As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999
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The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,” said Dr. Guohua Li, a co-author and director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia University Medical Center. The researchers examined data from the federal Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS), spanning more than 23,000 drivers killed during that 11-year period.
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They cited a recent, 13-percent drop in drunk-driving deaths in states where medical marijuana is legal.
That last one. please pay attention to that. You are going to want to recall that after you are done with the 2014 one.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:22 am to blueboy
The headline cold read
Study shows pregnant teenage girls make higher percentage of poor choices than non pregnant counterparts.
Study shows pregnant teenage girls make higher percentage of poor choices than non pregnant counterparts.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:23 am to Jjdoc
How bout we stop paying for other people's kids? That is the evil that is corrupting the nation, not pot.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:24 am to darnol91
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quote:You understand that POT effects higher thinking ability. Yes, does prolonged alcohol not have cognitive effect? Should we go back to prohibition because of that, as well?
One is sold as safe, promoted as a morning sickness cure..... the other not.
2 different things
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
Our government has little choices in this matter.
Local, municipal, state, and our federal government(s) have wrongfully imprisoned pot users and distributors for decades.
THAT is the travesty in this.
Prenatal usage will exist for dumbasses that do it just as it does today with weed, alcohol and other drugs.
You act like you don't want big government. meanwhile, you're disputing a lax in unjust laws. laws that have done horrible things to people's lives.
confused much?
Local, municipal, state, and our federal government(s) have wrongfully imprisoned pot users and distributors for decades.
THAT is the travesty in this.
Prenatal usage will exist for dumbasses that do it just as it does today with weed, alcohol and other drugs.
You act like you don't want big government. meanwhile, you're disputing a lax in unjust laws. laws that have done horrible things to people's lives.
confused much?
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:30 am to Jjdoc
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I didn't see anything about healthcare
So kids born with health complications are free to the system?
Are you saying kids with learning disabilities have no educational cost associated with them?
So there's no link showing increased costs, you made that up.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:31 am to Jjdoc
Big Pharma propaganda.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:31 am to jptiger2009
If our governments are looking to do the "right" thing, reclassify drugs by chances of death.
I guarantee you that pot would be at the bottom of the chart right under caffeine.
I guarantee you that pot would be at the bottom of the chart right under caffeine.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:32 am to Jjdoc
There are so many holes in this study/article.
2009 to 2016. How much do you think the general availability of marijuana in that area has increased since that time? more than 2.9%? I dont have a study, but based on the general change I've seen, id say that number is low. If availability increases, do you not expect something like this to increase when women already drink, smoke, and do drugs while pregnant?
Age ranges that you would consider fully functioning, responsible adults (prefrontal cortex fully matures at 25), which is 25 up, is relatively linear. Do we not expect people who lack a fully developed part of their brain which helps control impulse to not make these decisions? I would love to have a demographic of single mothers in there, as well.
So based on that, yes, I agree the study shows it has increased. Does a legslative bill get pregnant and smoke pot? Or does a user? You're obviously republican, so its the same debate used against gun control "Guns dont kill people, people kill people". This is asinine
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The sample comprised KPNC pregnant females 12 years or older who completed a self-administered questionnaire on marijuana use since pregnancy and a cannabis toxicology test (58% occurred at the same visit as the questionnaire, 87% occurred within 2 weeks of completing the questionnaire) during standard prenatal care (at approximately 8 weeks’ gestation) from 2009 through 2016.
2009 to 2016. How much do you think the general availability of marijuana in that area has increased since that time? more than 2.9%? I dont have a study, but based on the general change I've seen, id say that number is low. If availability increases, do you not expect something like this to increase when women already drink, smoke, and do drugs while pregnant?
Age ranges that you would consider fully functioning, responsible adults (prefrontal cortex fully matures at 25), which is 25 up, is relatively linear. Do we not expect people who lack a fully developed part of their brain which helps control impulse to not make these decisions? I would love to have a demographic of single mothers in there, as well.
So based on that, yes, I agree the study shows it has increased. Does a legslative bill get pregnant and smoke pot? Or does a user? You're obviously republican, so its the same debate used against gun control "Guns dont kill people, people kill people". This is asinine
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:33 am to Jjdoc
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The trend suggests that marijuana is playing an increased role in fatal crashes,”
So does texting
Outlaw texting
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
I honestly can't believe this joke of a thread has survived this long.
Woo hoo. MJ isn't health food.
Basically, this thread could have been written in the leadup to 1919 or the follow on to 1933.
I half expect the OP to come out as looking basically like this.
Woo hoo. MJ isn't health food.
Basically, this thread could have been written in the leadup to 1919 or the follow on to 1933.
I half expect the OP to come out as looking basically like this.
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:37 am to Jjdoc
umm look at alcohol dummy, far more deaths and health and educational problems associated with it, so gfto
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:37 am to Jjdoc
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As medical marijuana sales expanded into 20 states, legal weed was detected in the bodies of dead drivers three times more often during 2010 when compared to those who died behind the wheel in 1999
detected in the bodies? At what amount? And by what test compared to 1999? And was it just detected in their bodies, or is it shown to be effecting them and recently ingested before the crash?
It's safe to assume more people would smoke pot in a legal state, however, so you seem to be confusing a correlation with causation here.
Is there a study about the amount of users that increased usage?
For instance if there are 10 more fatal crashed, but 100,000 more users, than the overall increase seems to be negligible.
And what else was found in the system of those drivers?
If it's just weed and nothing else you may have a point, however arguable. If in both cases weed was detected but so was intoxicating levels of alcohol or other drugs, then weed is hardly to blame.
This post was edited on 1/8/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/8/18 at 11:40 am to lsufball19
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Alcohol should be illegal. True or false
Nobody is saying that alcohol is safe.
It has been illegal before,we know how that turned out.
Alcohol has been around for thousands of years,it was available to people before education was possible. It was already a problem. Same with tobacco.Yes,weed has been around a long time too,but never nearly as popular.
Do we want another similar mistake?
If you want to get weed totally legalized,you have to stop claiming that it is totally safe.
You can't deny any science that is negative to your cause.
Responsible discussion is required,including the harmful effects.
You can't just put it on the market,with everyone believing that it is 100% safe.Any company that did that,would find themselves in huge lawsuits pretty fast.You would have to give all of the negatives up front.
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