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re: St. George Opposition Committing to Lawsuits
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:19 am to LSURussian
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:19 am to LSURussian
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Does it mean those areas who voted to not be incorporated into SG only have to petition the EBR council to be annexed by BR and not have to go through the “de-annexation” process from SG because the SG incorporation is not “finalized”?
No it doesn’t mean that imho.
If the SG election is certified then they are in SG. They can get out, however. They just need to follow the process.
But I’m not an attorney.
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Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:24 am to LSUengr
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“Two thousand people should not be able to decide the fate of everyone in Baton Rouge
His math is a little off.
Or he’s just a dishonest prick that wants to circumvent the will of the people.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 7:35 am to doubleb
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Does it mean those areas who voted to not be incorporated into SG only have to petition the EBR council to be annexed by BR and not have to go through the “de-annexation” process from SG because the SG incorporation is not “finalized”?
i read interpret it as until the SG incorporation becomes final, then they just need to follow the current incorporation process to get into BR. (IE the process you quoted that has been around 50+ years. But once the SG incorporation becomes finalized, they would need to leave (de-annex) then once that is done petition to be annexed.
on a side not, i suggest once SG if finalized, the new city needs to file its own lawsuits about how BR annexed properties like MoL by using the railroad, which is federal property to make it contiguous
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:13 am to doubleb
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This isn’t the only parish where folks voted to incorporate, It has been going on for decades.
Is there anywhere in the USA, where citizens who don't live in a proposed city's boundaries got to vote on the incorporation of the proposed city?
I mean, this is just common sense.
If people are allowed to vote in a city incorporation election that aren't residents of said city... could you imagine the ramifications of this? You would, to be fair, also have to expand the boundary for the petition as well.
So... if a city is 70 percent "good" and 30 percent "ghetto", the 70 percent could basically kick the ghetto out of their city by forcing a new city, of just them, upon them.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:19 am to LSUengr
Just let the adjacent neighborhoods whose precincts voted "no" be annexed in to BR and move on.
BR officials are going to drag this out only to face the same results down the road. Waste of taxpayer money.
BR officials are going to drag this out only to face the same results down the road. Waste of taxpayer money.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:32 am to LSURussian
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It’s property that’s being annexed not people.
A hundred voters might rent in an apartment complex but they come and go. The property stays there.
So, it’s the property owner who requests his property to be annexed, or not annexed, not the renters who might also be voters. Or, not voters.
True... but... annexation into a city also brings the right for the residents of the annexed area to vote in city elections.
So those 100 voters may come and go, but when they come, they can vote in the city.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:32 am to LSUFanHouston
Yes, good question.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:32 am to skullhawk
quote:I agree with all of this.
Just let the adjacent neighborhoods whose precincts voted "no" be annexed in to BR and move on.
BR officials are going to drag this out only to face the same results down the road. Waste of taxpayer money.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:34 am to LSURussian
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Moving white voters from an unincorporated part of the parish into the city of Baton Rouge has no effect on black voting strength for mayor-president nor the city-parish council.
I've read and heard several things about the fact that why these people weren't annexed into the City of BR in the first place, and the "voting dilution" thing was the reason.
I agree you are right that it doesn't apply here due to the, well, unique plan of government.
But that's why this issue keeps being raised. So much misinformation out there.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:35 am to skullhawk
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Just let the adjacent neighborhoods whose precincts voted "no" be annexed in to BR and move on.
BR officials are going to drag this out only to face the same results down the road. Waste of taxpayer money.
To the best of my knowledge. I haven’t seen a groundswell of support saying they want in BR.
It might be that they want to be unincorporated as they were before.
It’s their call. Not mine or a bunch of other outsiders.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:38 am to LSURussian
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That’s confusing.
The issue I see is, when is the incorporation "finalized"?
I would think once that happens, yes, you need to remove yourself from city A before you can apply to be part of city B.
I'm guessing that date will end up being decided by a judge.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:39 am to doubleb
quote:Small sample size bias.
To the best of my knowledge. I haven’t seen a groundswell of support saying they want in BR.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:44 am to PoBoy1
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Prediction: The STG opposition files suit, requesting an injunction. The matter is "randomly alloted" to Judge Fields. The injunction is granted, nonsense ensues, and the incorporation is delayed once again.
PERFECT! Eddie Rispone gets to pick the interim Mayor and officials not JBE
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:45 am to skullhawk
quote:
Just let the adjacent neighborhoods whose precincts voted "no" be annexed in to BR and move on.
BR officials are going to drag this out only to face the same results down the road. Waste of taxpayer money.
I'd like to see a transition period where there is potential movement both ways. I'd love to see some of the adjacent neighborhoods in Baton Rouge get the option of joining St. George. Everyone I know who isn't within the St. George boundary tells me they wish they were. I think St. George supporters should assist these neighborhoods in their effort, and Baton Rouge supporters should assist those in St. George in their request. Lets see where it ends up.
In a perfect world, a large portion of "South Baton Rouge" would end up being a part of St. George (should actually be renamed "South Baton Rouge").
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:46 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Why didn't they do this when Central incorporated? I would say the precedent has been set.
There was a suit filed against Central. Took 5 years to settle
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:46 am to LSURussian
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Small sample size bias.
No doubt, it’s early and the SG thing could energize things.
But wasn’t it you who suggested that some of those precincts might just want to stay unincorporated?
The way I see it, they have four options, and I support them doing what they want.
They can stay in SG.
They can get out of SG,
They can get out of SG and into BR.
They can get out of SG and form their own city.
And whatever they decide I’ll abide by their wishes, I don’t need to vote on it and if they decide by a one vote margin I won’t whine about one person making the decision for thousands.
I have no reason to think people living in those neighborhoods won’t do what they think is best.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:51 am to doubleb
quote:In response to you and several others repeatedly saying "Why didn't those areas try to be annexed into BR when they had the chance?", I said their majority "No" votes on election doesn't necessarily mean they want to be in Baton Rouge.
But wasn’t it you who suggested that some of those precincts might just want to stay unincorporated?
All we know from their majority votes is they don't want to be in the city of St. George.
Anyone assuming they've wanted to be in BR all along is just making an uninformed assumption at this point.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:55 am to tommy2tone1999
quote:Wasn't that suit strictly about the issue of the amount legacy costs the new city of Central owed EBR and had nothing to do with Central's incorporation itself?
There was a suit filed against Central. Took 5 years to settle
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:57 am to LSURussian
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Anyone assuming they've wanted to be in BR all along is just making an uninformed assumption at this point.
people making those assumptions are doing so based on the news that annex petitions are being prepared and circulated.
Petitions to annex into BR. Not petitions to simply deannex from St G.
If these people wanted simply to maintain the status quo and stay unincorp, you would think that would be the story, but it's not.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 9:59 am to moneyg
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I'd love to see some of the adjacent neighborhoods in Baton Rouge get the option of joining St. George. Everyone I know who isn't within the St. George boundary tells me they wish they were.
Didn't one of the posters here say they lived in Cormiers neighborhood? Maybe they should start a petition to be annexed into St. George. Be sure to film when knocking on that door
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