re: Southern Baptist ban on women pastors fails in historic vote

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Those Arabs sure have been dominating and living high on the hog for hundreds of years!

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For centuries, Christian men pushed them back.

Now they are taking advantage of a feminized west and making gains again.

Scripture and church history are so clear on this that to propose that women should be pastors is to willfully reject God and His design for His church.

1 Timothy 3 is one Scriptural basis for male-only pastors. Notice the specificity of men as church overseers and the use of male pronouns:

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. (1 Timothy 3:1-7 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).

The Bible is perhaps even more clear in the previous chapter:

I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. (1 Timothy 2:12-14 [Open in Logos Bible Software (if available)] ).

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I mean, isn’t worship a matter of our hearts and we worship God in many more ways than just music? Don’t we worship in the way we work, the way we treat others, the way we view our money, the way we view Christ’s authority, our repentance and admitting of our sin, etc?

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In a sense, yes, in that we are to offer our entire bodies as living sacrifices to God by seeking His glory in all that we do, however God has ordained His own worship to be set apart and different from simply living our lives.

He has set aside a day of the week for His people to gather together. This people is to sing His praises, join in prayer, and meet for the preaching of the Word as well as to receive the sacraments of the Lord's Supper and Baptism. This people are to submit themselves to the governance of the Church through the elders and to submit to one another through service.

Christ set apart a Church to Himself to be governed and regulated with everything done in good order, especially His own worship. The New Testament epistles in particular were not written to a bunch of individuals who were seeking to worship God however they wanted, but were written to congregations (the church in Rome, in Philippi, in Ephesus, etc.) with instructions on how to be the Church of Christ together as one body and one bride.

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I agree if we view worship as something to honor ourselves over God, that’s not a good thing. I just don’t see anything wrong with someone singing a contemporary worship song if that’s one of the ways they choose to worship God. It’s about their hearts.

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God does care about His worship. The 1st and 2nd commandments (especially the 2nd) are entirely about how God is to be worshipped. Many were destroyed due to the golden calf incident where they worshipped God through the calf. God rejected Saul's non-prescribed sacrifice and said that it was better to obey than merely to sacrifice. Nadab and Abihu were both destroyed for offering false worship. I could even mention Cain, since his sacrifice was bloodless while Abel's was bloody, but that might be a stretch too far for this particular issue simply because Abel's sacrifice was also done by faith while Cain's was not.

The entire form of worship in the Old Testament was ordered and regulated, from the type of materials that the tabernacle and temple were to be made out of to even the priests' garments. The types of animals to be offered and in what ways were closely regulated, and it wasn't merely to be a burden on the people to point them to the once-for-all-time sacrifice of Christ on the cross. This is carried over in the New Testament with Paul in particular giving several commands to the churches on how to worship orderly and correctly. The NT authors do not describe the worship of God as being open to the desires of man. God is holy and He prescribes His own worship.

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When did the Disciples ever debate the Pharisees while Jesus was still physically with them???

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When did Jesus ever debate the Pharisees? Trick question. Jesus never existed. The gospel of Mark is just fan fiction - a masterpiece of a parable whereby a highly educated Greek composer turned the celestial Jesus of Paul into a story of a flesh and blood person on earth healing the blind and sick and walking on water.

“Mark” (whoever that really was we will never know) even ingeniously gives a clue that his whole composition is a parable in chapter 4:

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10And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12so that “‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’” 13And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?

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The gospel of Mark was not and was not intended to be a historical account. It’s not history. It’s written in a literary ring architecture just like Homer’s Odyssey. It’s a fictional narrative - a story. The original ending to “Mark” was the two women running away from the empty tomb and told no one, for they were afraid. They told no one.

It then began to be copied and spread and some people actually started believing all that really happened in real life on planet earth. Others like “Matthew” didn’t like some of the anti-Torah messaging and they didn’t like how Jesus didn’t have a father and wasn’t born and they definitely didn’t like the ending where the women told no one. Then the fan fiction really ratcheted up with “Matthew” and “Luke” revising and redacting their own versions of Mark.

At that point, there were still Christians who knew the original teachings of Paul and knew that all those gospels were fan fiction. They knew Jesus was a celestial archangel who was killed in heaven by the other gods (“archons” in Greek, often translated as “rulers” or “powers and principalities” in English). They knew Pontius Pilate didn’t sentence Jesus to crucifiction.

1 Corinthians 2:

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6Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

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Paul isn’t talking about kings or governors on earth.

Ephesians 6:12

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12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

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Those Christians that were disciples of Paul knew the gospels were fan fiction, but we don’t get to see what they wrote about. All we have are the writings of the side that “won” - the side that was tricked into believing a real flesh and blood Jesus had existed on earth. We have the writings of those Christians talking shite about the Christians of the faith and revelation of Paul, who denied Jesus was ever a flesh and blood person on earth.

1 John 2:

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18Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.

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The writer of 1 John is calling rival Christian sects antichrists. Any Christian who didn’t agree with their theology was an antichrist. Any Christian who did not believe a flesh and blood Jesus healed the dying (or dead) daughter of Jairus and toured Galilee was to not be believed and was to be shunned .

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1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

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2 John 1:

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7For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

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Ever wonder why Paul doesn’t write about Mary at all? Paul never ever mentions Jesus interacting with any human on earth until after his death and resurrection. Paul never mentions Jesus healing the sick or feeding 5000 people (or 4000 people ). Now you know.

Squirrelmeister is the biggest idiot on here….absolutely foolish.

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Squirrelmeister is the biggest idiot on here….absolutely foolish.

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Clearly deluded. He is a religion conspiracy theorist. Anything to blaspheme the name of Christ.

those two slob women "protesting" in the OP aren't authentic and do no represent Baptist, nor Christian women.

Its a mistake to allow Women to be preachers. I would rather see the Catholic church allow priests to become married and have children. It would set a good example for the flock. I am not sure what the downside would be.

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He actually provides useful information about the actual history of Christianity/the Bible/religion. It’s just offensive to you, so you lash out.

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So you actually believe the Gospels are fake?

The New Testament is a select chronicling of Jesus's life, the Revelation, and a collection of letters that correct the early churches and clarify the teachings of Christ.

It is NOT a gift presented to the world by the Roman Catholic Church.

Christianity is the belief and following of Christ. It isn't dogma or ecclesiastical magisterium or liturgy. It isn't Transubstantiation or Christmas or even Easter.
It is living daily like Christ and for Christ. Not for the Vice God in Rome. Not Mary. Not Peter. Not Calvin. Jesus.