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re: So what exactly are people implying with all the Ukraine virtue signaling?

Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:08 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:08 am to
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How much empathy have you emitted for all of the poor people out East who are diving into famine because we’re extending this battle?
Their Russian overlords have kept them fed for almost a decade. Has that changed?
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17443 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:08 am to
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The libertarians have a way of cutting through the BS.


The Libertarians have become a joke. They’re all socialists, and live in lala land.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:10 am to
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libertarians
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Libertarians

We have found the disconnect.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
8869 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:12 am to
It’s 2022s “international version” of 2020s George Floyd and BLM.

There’s always a “cause” to be had with our Leftist authoritarian Corporatocracy.

You will be judged as to how well you adhere to and comply to The Narrative.
Posted by Tiger at Law
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
3005 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:12 am to
They are implying that the 80s DO NOT want their foreign policy back.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34207 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:14 am to
Virtue signaling, simply means you are signaling that you are virtuous. That's it. There is nothing beyond that.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109817 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:15 am to
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Virtue signaling, simply means you are signaling that you are virtuous. That's it. There is nothing beyond that.



The most virtuous people I've ever known never once had to signal it.
Posted by CasualBystander
Member since Apr 2019
154 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:17 am to
No idea, but not relevant to my question. She is the spouse of the US President in a sovereign nation by invitation. How is air support within that nation an act of aggression?
Posted by NoTSquirrely
Member since Apr 2022
77 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:23 am to
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The US should argue Ukraine’s case diplomatically.


The US has not even engaged Russia "diplomatically". There has been NO effort, by the US, to settle this "dispute", in any way other than to demonize Russia and supply surplus and mostly outdated weapons to The Ukraine.

What does that suggest?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34207 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:26 am to
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The most virtuous people I've ever known never once had to signal it.



Exactly. Virtue signalers are not actually virtuous at all. It's performative.

The OP is reading too much into it. It's simple narcissism, nothing more.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467742 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:29 am to
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Putin demanded the US honor its promise to not expand Nato even one inch to the east. Putin’s being silly with that demand. He should have talked to a few Indian tribes in the US to see how good a job the US government is at doing what it promises.

Likewise Putin demanded Ukraine comply with the terms of the Minsk II agreement from 2016 where they agreed to stop shelling the Donbass region

These issues require diplomatic solutions, not an illegal war.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17000 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:31 am to
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The pro-Russia crowd is sooooooo edgy.





So what should I be basing any allegiance to Ukraine on?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66986 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 9:39 am to
When you have Victoria Nuland running your Ukraine/Russia policy for her husband, his brother, and Bill Kristol, diplomacy is not happening.

This woman has been killing it lately.

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In an article titled "Why Russia Went to War Now," Antiwar's Ted Snyder explains that Putin likely made the decision to invade because Kyiv wasn't respecting Minsk II and because future NATO membership with Ukraine was being kept on the table while weapons poured into the country from the US.

"Zelensky wouldn’t talk to the leaders of the Donbas, Minsk was dead and Russia feared an imminent operation against the ethnic Russian population of the Donbas," Snyder writes. "At the same time, Washington had become a leaky faucet on promises of flooding Ukraine with weapons and open doors to NATO: two red lines Putin had clearly drawn."

But, again, Zelensky couldn't enact Minsk because it had been made abundantly clear to him that he faced a horrific death by fascist lynch mob if he did. If the choice is between taking a chance on a US proxy war and getting Gaddafied in the public square, I think many leaders around the world would opt for the former.

So Zelensky made peace with the Nazis, whose will for Ukraine aligned with Washington's.


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But what this means is that every major factor which led to Russia's decision to invade could have been nullified by the US government. A guarantee of no NATO membership for Ukraine could have been made. The weapons supplies could have been stopped. And Zelensky and his government could have received protection from the US military against the armed fascists who would repeat their violent acts of 2014 upon them.

It would have been wins all around. We wouldn't be staring down the barrel of nuclear armageddon. Ukraine would have been spared the horrors of an insane proxy war. Western powers wouldn't be sending arms to literal Nazi factions. And the US would actually be protecting Ukrainian democracy, instead of just pretending to.

But, again, we are only indulging in fantasy here. Fighting Nazis, protecting democracy and waging peace are not things the US empire actually does in real life. The US is the most tyrannical and murderous regime on earth, by a truly massive margin, and it will happily risk the life of everyone on earth if it means securing planetary rule.

But sometimes it's nice to imagine the kind of world we might be living in if we were not ruled by psychopaths.

The U.S. Could Have Prevented This War Just By Protecting Kyiv From Nazis.
Posted by Coleridge
Houston
Member since Dec 2020
315 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:18 am to
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2050 -
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I sympathize with Lucifer!


If you don't use all your well-learned politesse, he'll lay your soul to waste.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
7948 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:24 am to
I have been following a variety of sources closely throughout the war and I have seen that we provided intelligence to Ukraine that was used in the sinking, where have you seen that it was a US missile that sunk the Moskova?
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
47869 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:26 am to
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So what exactly are people implying with all the Ukraine virtue signaling?


Easy social media likes.

Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:41 am to
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What are they implying "standing with Ukraine" means?
Clapping seals. Or in social media speak, I support the new thing and can't think for myself.
Posted by hashtag
Comfy, AF
Member since Aug 2005
32858 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:41 am to
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they also get the bonus of helping an underdog that has been invaded by inhuman killers?

you talking about unborn babies here or just the racist, Nazi Ukrainians?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26950 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:42 am to
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I am not flying a blue/yellow flag, but I do support Ukraine in the conflict. What does that mean?

It does not mean that I think Ukraine was some idyllic utopia. Only that Ukraine did not deserve an invasion by its neighbor.

The US should argue Ukraine’s case diplomatically. The US should impose sanctions upon Russia as the aggressor. The US should sell Ukraine whatever weapons it needs and even provide intelligence.

It does not mean that US troops should fight in Ukraine.


You're not supporting Ukraine, you just have an opinion on Ukraine, which is all the "I stand with XXX" nonsense means 99% of the time. "I have an opinion on XXX" makes them sound as if they're not actually doing anything besides virtue signaling. Which is true, but that's irrelevant.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78357 posts
Posted on 5/9/22 at 10:44 am to
The critical thinking that leads to “yeah I support Russia” is pretty fricked.

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