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re: So Paul Ryan Made Some Comments about "Inner City Culture" Today
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:36 pm to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:36 pm to FightinTigersDammit
quote:If "opportunity" pays less than dependency, is it opportunity?
There is opportunity out there.
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:37 pm to Hawkeye95
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I think its about the acceptance of single parent homes.
that's a much meatier discussion without much of a response by the other side. ryan fricked up for sure
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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If "opportunity" pays less than dependency, is it opportunity?
Forest for the trees.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Am I the only one who doesn't get where the idea he said they "don't want to work" is coming from. "Not thinking about working" is a direct point to the idea that if you are in a culture where so many don't work and it's "normal", then that's exactly what happens. Working isn't at the forefront of your mind.
I've always said this is one of the reasons public housing, while well meaning, has been so bad. It simply puts everyone with poor social pathologies in the same area and then you are stunned the kids have no role models.
When I grew up, one benefit I had was that it never even occurred to me that getting a job and working to pay my bills was optional. There were almost zero examples of this in my entire world circle.
A kid growing up in the inner city can have just the opposite experience and it does him no favors.
I've always said this is one of the reasons public housing, while well meaning, has been so bad. It simply puts everyone with poor social pathologies in the same area and then you are stunned the kids have no role models.
When I grew up, one benefit I had was that it never even occurred to me that getting a job and working to pay my bills was optional. There were almost zero examples of this in my entire world circle.
A kid growing up in the inner city can have just the opposite experience and it does him no favors.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:41 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Sober vs Drunk. Drunk can seem better in the short term, with every next moment being the short term.
Forest for the trees.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:42 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:While it is true many of the people in such situations think this way, it is completely blind to the fact that dependency THIS year = dependency next year.
If "opportunity" pays less than dependency, is it opportunity?
McDonalds may not get you to a good paying job but it might. The odds are certainly greater than zero.
Welfare has literally zero odds of setting you up for anything else.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:42 pm to SettleDown
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When I grew up, one benefit I had was that it never even occurred to me that getting a job and working to pay my bills was optional. There were almost zero examples of this in my entire world circle.
A kid growing up in the inner city can have just the opposite experience and it does him no favors.
that's what ryan was trying to say
he just did a poor job of actually saying those concepts
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's a much meatier discussion without much of a response by the other side. ryan fricked up for sure
I am not sure it will be that big of a deal. I am sure most of his constituents agree with him, and I doubt he runs for wider office.
Blacks may perceive Ryan as racist b.c of this, but its not like they don't think that about republicans already.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:45 pm to Hawkeye95
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but its not like they don't think that about republicans already.
but this is the whole PR thing. this will be run by the liberal media painting ALL of the GOP as racists, as is tradition
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but this is the whole PR thing. this will be run by the liberal media painting ALL of the GOP as racists, as is tradition
Yeah but its like a little gasoline, the fire was already there.
Blows over within a week.
eta: also, this sort proves the tone/outreach comment this board seems to believe is just not an issue.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:48 pm to NC_Tigah
The inner city problem isn't just in the inner city in California but has spread. I don't see kids doing the work that we did as kids. I cut grass, raked, weeded flower beds and worked at Baskin-Robbins. You see adults doing those jobs here and it is mostly latinos both legally and illegally here. Those jobs are viewed as being for that minority and that angers me with Californians. Some jobs are "beneath them."
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Blaming the poor...nothing new here.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 5:50 pm to Overbrook
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Blaming the poor..
if people make a series of bad decisions that leads to a lack of economic opportunity, isn't it their fault? who is to blame for those bad decisions? other people?
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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who is to blame for those bad decisions? other people?
Whitey's fault.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if people make a series of bad decisions that leads to a lack of economic opportunity, isn't it their fault? who is to blame for those bad decisions? other people?
You get what you incentivize. Sure, the people are partly to blame. But I wag my finger at government more than anything else for it.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but this is the whole PR thing. this will be run by the liberal media painting ALL of the GOP as racists, as is tradition
Meh. Don't see where his wording was incorrect.
His point was clear, and honestly, mostly irrefutable. Only those that benefit from the status quo will really object.
And I could care less about them.
He gets credit in my book for taking on a tough subject that we all know is a problem, but don't want to talk about for fear of being a labeled racist.
Well that's not entirely true. The black community does know there is a problem and will talk about it; but I guess it's different when it's a outsider saying something (and I get that to some extent).
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Collecting a government provided check for work or for sitting on one's arse doesn't seem all that different to me to be honest.
Call me when Ryan starts talking about reducing the number of government workers in this country.
Call me when Ryan starts talking about reducing the number of government workers in this country.
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:This. X10 000
"If you're driving from the suburb to the sports arena downtown by these blighted neighborhoods, you can't just say, 'I'm paying my taxes, government's got to fix that.' You need to get involved," Ryan said. "You need to get involved yourself, whether through a good mentor program, or some religious charity, whatever it is to make a difference. And that's how we help resuscitate our culture."
This post was edited on 3/12/14 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:40 pm to SettleDown
quote:No. I don't get it either. And even if so, so what? If we can't even talk about the ever increasing dependency In our culture, how are wen even going to begin to seek solutions?
Am I the only one who doesn't get where the idea he said they "don't want to work" is coming from
The first step is recognizing the problem.
Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:44 pm to Taxing Authority
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ever increasing dependency In our culture
Like I've said before, our system is the exact opposite of survival of the fittest.
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