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re: so media is saying the video disproves Ahmad was a burglar
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:17 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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But the fact that no goods have been found or even referenced undermines the idea that they could perform a citizens arrest.
True
But I'm just here to tell you that if I were on a jury for this case and evidence was presented that the deceased had been busted for stealing in THAT neighborhood before and that the shooters were specifically aware of this fact, it's gonna impact how I few the goings on.
Again, I make no claims that this is the case. Merely observing that it would absolutely matter
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Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:17 pm to Strannix
Whether or not he was a burglar is irrelevant. Chasing him down and blasting him with a shotgun is all that matters. They can't claim self defense or their life was in danger because he was running away from them.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:18 pm to the808bass
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He was wearing shorts (some have said cargo shorts), tennis shoes and a T-shirt.
I always wear timberland boots when I play tennis
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:18 pm to The Maj
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Would you be running across an interstate from your home in order to burglarize some homes in that neighborhood?
This is why I'd like to know distance.
Are we talkin he's 5 miles from home, or half a mile? Either could be true based on the general description.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:18 pm to Lsut81
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From the video I've seen, he runs around the truck and the guy is standing there with the shotgun... If that was me, I'd leap too.
So run around the other side of the truck and then run back to the other side to confront the dude with the shotgun.
So your probably dead too. How about just put your hands up? Or keep running, you get shot in the back your still in the same spot...dead, but these guys get the chair.
And too be frank, I would assume most minorities are probably weary of white honkies these days with the particular media portrayal. WHY IN THE F*CK, would you decide to go for a jog through that neighborhood, with white honkies, that have been burglarized repeatedly, in your khakis/high tops/hammer get-up.
This post was edited on 5/8/20 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:19 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Whether or not he was a burglar is irrelevant. Chasing him down and blasting him with a shotgun is all that matters. They can't claim self defense or their life was in danger because he was running away from them.
Huh?
He wasn't running away when the shot was fired.
Sheesh. Do we just make shite up now?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:19 pm to ShortyRob
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But I'm just here to tell you that if I were on a jury for this case and evidence was presented that the deceased had been busted for stealing in THAT neighborhood before and that the shooters were specifically aware of this fact, it's gonna impact how I few the goings on.
Sure, but the fact that the police and the DA were seemingly uninterested in what was stolen, or even referencing it, is a curious omission from the documentation.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:20 pm to the808bass
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The lack of any stolen property on him is a good start. But yeah, that’s not the video.
If you're breaking into places and stealing shite, and you come close enough to getting caught that you take off running, do you go ahead and carry the shite you're stealing with you? I wouldn't know, but it don't sound like it would be conducive to getting away, especially if you're stealing tv's, or video game consoles, etc.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:20 pm to Strannix
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the video shows them chasing and killing him, that's bad enough
Technically, the person shooting the video is the one chasing him. The ole boy and his son were already stopped in the road with guns out waiting for him.
Common sense dictates that there was a reason they were lying in wait for him.
Still, no reason for the kid to die.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:21 pm to Lsut81
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From the video I've seen, he runs around the truck and the guy is standing there with the shotgun... If that was me, I'd leap too.
I mean, it's readily obvious he runs with intent to go for dude with the shotgun.
Again, why do we just have to make shite up here?
I think the white dudes acted inappropriately and, created a circumstance where this could happen
But, let's not just make shite up to magnify it.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:21 pm to ShortyRob
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Which is of course, useful info.
But, if he was in the process of theft when spotted and therefore ran, then, why would a burglary be reported?
Look. Again, I'm merely throwing out the fact that there's shite we don't know and that at this point, we can't know.
Racist.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:22 pm to troyt37
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If you're breaking into places and stealing shite, and you come close enough to getting caught that you take off running, do you go ahead and carry the shite you're stealing with you? I wouldn't know, but it don't sound like it would be conducive to getting away, especially if you're stealing tv's, or video game consoles, etc.
Supposedly what was stolen was $2500 worth of fishing equipment, and it wasn't stolen on that particular day. Because there was no police report filed, we don't know when it was stolen.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:22 pm to ShortyRob
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He wasn't running away when the shot was fired
The first shot is almost simultaneous to him coming around the front of the truck where the son had moved to intercept him. They were moving towards each other.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:22 pm to the808bass
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If you have to ask “what is this?” and it’s not in the police report, it’s not going to matter. Sorry to interrupt your theory.
Not laughing at you, but your dismissive tone is perfect.
It might as well be a severed limb that he dropped. Unless it's in the police report it's going to do jack all to sway the ruling either way.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:23 pm to Lsut81
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I've wondered this from the start... has there been any info on whether there was a burglary? Was he in workout clothes?
One article I saw said there had been one burglary reported in the neighborhood in the 3 months leading up to this incident, in early January.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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Sure, but the fact that the police and the DA were seemingly uninterested in what was stolen, or even referencing it, is a curious omission from the documentation.
No. I'm referring to the idea that even if he wasn't caught in the process in this moment, if he had previously been caught stealing from this neighborhood and the shooters knew this...……..it would absolutely have to be considered when looking at this situation.
I'm sorry. If, for example, some dude stole from my neighbors last month...……..got caught...…...didn't live in my area...……..and then...……...today, I see that fricker running thru my neighborhood in shall we say, unorthodox jogging wear, my reaction is going to be different than if just some random black guy runs down my street.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:23 pm to Lsut81
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has there been any info on whether there was a burglary? Was he in workout clothes?
To me those are irrelevant questions at this point.
Here's what we know. He was running (possibly fleeing), the other guys were in no danger of bodily harm, they attempted an armed confrontation with him with the driver of the stopped truck getting out and waiting on him, the runner tries to avoid them by dodging around the truck and the driver moves to intercept.
That's all that's relevant since there is no death sentence for Burglary.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:24 pm to Strannix
I've kind of followed this story..But what I am confused about is...if they were following him how did the truck get in front of him? Did they pass him? Did he run into the woods and then come out behind the truck?
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:24 pm to Azkiger
It’s the truth. There’s nothing in the police report. The “hammer” isn’t still laying in the road two and a half months later. And if it was, there’s no useful physical evidence associated with it.
So if I’m dismissive of an unconnected object from a frame in a video, I think I’ve got a reason to be.
So if I’m dismissive of an unconnected object from a frame in a video, I think I’ve got a reason to be.
Posted on 5/8/20 at 12:24 pm to the808bass
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The first shot is almost simultaneous to him coming around the front of the truck where the son had moved to intercept him.
That just doesn't remotely describe the video.
He CLEARLY wraps the front of the truck on his way to junior. The shot may have gone off before they made physical contact...…….but, he wasn't "running away". He was damned sure initiating.
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