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Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is a large gap between perfection and shoving women
Also a large gap between resisting detainment and minding your own business
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:42 am to Sp0728
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Who cares if he had 1 clip or 15 clips
Police will care if he reaches into his waistband once other officers shouted he has a gun.
Yeah, yeah, I know he was disarmed.
I guess all 7 officers saw him get disarmed while struggling with him AND knew he had no other weapons on him, right?
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:45 am to VOR
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So far, still nothing to justify use of deadly force according to every legitimate law enforcement agency guidelines…
Stop acting like you know the guidelines of every LEA.
The dude would be alive if he didn’t resist detainment with a weapon on his body.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:45 am to baybeefeetz
Pretti FAFO
Oh no. Anyway
Oh no. Anyway
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:47 am to baybeefeetz
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In a situation where a law enforcement officer is in a physical struggle and has a reasonable belief that a suspect is drawing a firearm with a hand out of view, the officer is generally justified in using deadly force to protect themselves or others from imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury.
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The U.S. Supreme Court has established that officers are not required to wait until they see a weapon if the suspect’s actions indicate they are attempting to draw one. However, the use of force must still be proportional to the threat and cease once the threat is neutralized.
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Objective Reasonableness (Graham v. Connor): The officer's actions are judged by what a reasonable officer would do in the same, rapidly evolving, and tense circumstances, not with 20/20 hindsight.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:48 am to Swazla
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Are you kidding me. He was hell bent on stupid. O loaded 9 with extra magazines in that environment. Confronting federal law enforcement officers and fighting them.
That's the very definition pf death by cop.
Oh, so now it's an "environment' thing. Where is that mentioned in the 2A?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:49 am to Sp0728
quote:magazines
Who cares if he had 1 clip or 15 clips
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:51 am to Vacherie Saint
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Thats what cops do when they see a firearm.
But it doesn't fit with this
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Every single report was that the protester approached with a firearm that was clearly visible to the agents.
a. If he approached with a firearm, why was it announced well into the detention, as a shock to the other LEO?
b. If it was clearly visible, why was it announced well into the detention, as as a shock to the other LEO?
The whole justification for the shooting is based in the confusion around "GUN" being yelled, and possibly one of the agents firing accidentally. If they knew he had a gun and then only shot him AFTER securing it, without the above confusion, that's so much worse for their story. In that scenario if he was brandishing a firearm and approaching they could have justifiably shot him then, but that's not what happened.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to LSUbest
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The U.S. Supreme Court has established that officers are not required to wait until they see a weapon if the suspect’s actions indicate they are attempting to draw one. However, the use of force must still be proportional to the threat and cease once the threat is neutralized.
You're going to have a hard time with the bold.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to baybeefeetz
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Stop calling this guy a terrorist. He disrupted law enforcement, at worst. He did not commit any acts of terrorism, so stfu on that.
It’s hilarious to see someone on the left try to get technical on the definition of a word they have intentionally abused and obliterated in the English speaking lexicon.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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Every single report was that the protester approached with a firearm that was clearly visible to the agents.
Fog of war, bro.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to Sp0728
He. Should. Not. Have. Brough. A. Gun.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:53 am to the808bass
I think he's just making this one up. Or he's following some beyond sketchy content creators who are the ones making shite up.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Accidents happen when you wrestle with cops.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to deltadummy
He was trying to help a woman who was down. He was then attacked by ICE thugs. There’s no other word for them…
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to VOR
quote:Voice of Retard
He was trying to help a woman who was down. He was then attacked by ICE thugs. There’s no other word for them…
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to Sp0728
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Citizens have a 2A right
I love when people who know nothing about guns parrot DNC talking points.
Having a conceal carry does not make you above the law. It doesn't give you a "I can legally carry this firearm where ever I wish and LEO can not touch me" card. You still must follow THE LAW.
When I get stopped I always present my card and let them know whether I am, or I am not, carrying. I've also had police ask to hold the weapon in their car during the stop and I always comply.
A conceal firearm is never pulled on another unless you intend to fire it. EVER. These stories about flashing it and waving it are taught as "no-no".
Carrying is about self-protection. LEO is not a threat. The only time you would ever pull a weapon on LEO is when you have a death wish.
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Would you please contain your trolling to the OT thread?
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're going to have a hard time with the bold.
In general, or with this specific case?
I’m intentionally holding off making a judgement in this case until more facts are obtained, but in general, a subject resisting arrest while armed is extremely life-threatening to the officers involved, and it doesn’t take much for an officer to reasonably believe that they are in imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death.
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