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re: So did Pretti’s gun go off in the agent’s hand or not?

Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:41 am to
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
2122 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:41 am to
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But who cares, right? He was just a LUNATIC LEFTIST nurse at the VA hospital. And he obviously was a paid terrorist


FIFY

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41729 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:42 am to
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There is a large gap between perfection and shoving women


Also a large gap between resisting detainment and minding your own business
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28110 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:42 am to
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Who cares if he had 1 clip or 15 clips


Police will care if he reaches into his waistband once other officers shouted he has a gun.

Yeah, yeah, I know he was disarmed.

I guess all 7 officers saw him get disarmed while struggling with him AND knew he had no other weapons on him, right?
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 10:43 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
41729 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:45 am to
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So far, still nothing to justify use of deadly force according to every legitimate law enforcement agency guidelines…


Stop acting like you know the guidelines of every LEA.

The dude would be alive if he didn’t resist detainment with a weapon on his body.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17418 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:45 am to
Pretti FAFO

Oh no. Anyway
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16396 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:47 am to
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In a situation where a law enforcement officer is in a physical struggle and has a reasonable belief that a suspect is drawing a firearm with a hand out of view, the officer is generally justified in using deadly force to protect themselves or others from imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury. 
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The U.S. Supreme Court has established that officers are not required to wait until they see a weapon if the suspect’s actions indicate they are attempting to draw one. However, the use of force must still be proportional to the threat and cease once the threat is neutralized. 


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Objective Reasonableness (Graham v. Connor): The officer's actions are judged by what a reasonable officer would do in the same, rapidly evolving, and tense circumstances, not with 20/20 hindsight.


Posted by deltadummy
Member since Mar 2025
2523 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:48 am to
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Are you kidding me. He was hell bent on stupid. O loaded 9 with extra magazines in that environment. Confronting federal law enforcement officers and fighting them.

That's the very definition pf death by cop.


Oh, so now it's an "environment' thing. Where is that mentioned in the 2A?

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38357 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:49 am to
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Who cares if he had 1 clip or 15 clips
magazines
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:51 am to
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Thats what cops do when they see a firearm.


But it doesn't fit with this

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Every single report was that the protester approached with a firearm that was clearly visible to the agents.


a. If he approached with a firearm, why was it announced well into the detention, as a shock to the other LEO?

b. If it was clearly visible, why was it announced well into the detention, as as a shock to the other LEO?

The whole justification for the shooting is based in the confusion around "GUN" being yelled, and possibly one of the agents firing accidentally. If they knew he had a gun and then only shot him AFTER securing it, without the above confusion, that's so much worse for their story. In that scenario if he was brandishing a firearm and approaching they could have justifiably shot him then, but that's not what happened.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to
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The U.S. Supreme Court has established that officers are not required to wait until they see a weapon if the suspect’s actions indicate they are attempting to draw one. However, the use of force must still be proportional to the threat and cease once the threat is neutralized. 


You're going to have a hard time with the bold.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21755 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to
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Stop calling this guy a terrorist. He disrupted law enforcement, at worst. He did not commit any acts of terrorism, so stfu on that.


It’s hilarious to see someone on the left try to get technical on the definition of a word they have intentionally abused and obliterated in the English speaking lexicon.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to
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Every single report was that the protester approached with a firearm that was clearly visible to the agents.


Fog of war, bro.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11757 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:52 am to
He. Should. Not. Have. Brough. A. Gun.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:53 am to
I think he's just making this one up. Or he's following some beyond sketchy content creators who are the ones making shite up.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11757 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to
Accidents happen when you wrestle with cops.
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
68819 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to
He was trying to help a woman who was down. He was then attacked by ICE thugs. There’s no other word for them…
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90572 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to
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He was trying to help a woman who was down. He was then attacked by ICE thugs. There’s no other word for them…

Voice of Retard
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5120 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to
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Citizens have a 2A right


I love when people who know nothing about guns parrot DNC talking points.

Having a conceal carry does not make you above the law. It doesn't give you a "I can legally carry this firearm where ever I wish and LEO can not touch me" card. You still must follow THE LAW.

When I get stopped I always present my card and let them know whether I am, or I am not, carrying. I've also had police ask to hold the weapon in their car during the stop and I always comply.

A conceal firearm is never pulled on another unless you intend to fire it. EVER. These stories about flashing it and waving it are taught as "no-no".

Carrying is about self-protection. LEO is not a threat. The only time you would ever pull a weapon on LEO is when you have a death wish.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
68412 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:54 am to
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SlowFlowPro


Would you please contain your trolling to the OT thread?
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21755 posts
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:56 am to
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You're going to have a hard time with the bold.


In general, or with this specific case?

I’m intentionally holding off making a judgement in this case until more facts are obtained, but in general, a subject resisting arrest while armed is extremely life-threatening to the officers involved, and it doesn’t take much for an officer to reasonably believe that they are in imminent threat of serious bodily harm or death.
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