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re: Snowden is a CIA spy
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:08 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:08 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:
He said he was a spy.
He's an attention seeker. A lot of people in the intelligence community claim to be spies, who aren't involved in any actual spy craft.
He could have been, my point is that him having high level access to information or understanding how certain surveillance activities worked is not indicative of whether he was or not.
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:11 am to Pettifogger
quote:
A lot of people in the intelligence community claim to be spies, who aren't involved in any actual spy craft.
And yet they get accused of being spies all the time...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:14 am to MagicCityBlazer
Has anybody asked the following question yet: what if he still is a spy for the CIA?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:14 am to Pettifogger
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my point is that him having high level access to information ... is not indicative of whether he was (a spy)
The idea of a flunky having high level access makes me think the CIA is out of control.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:38 am to Pettifogger
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A lot of people in the intelligence community claim to be spies, who aren't involved in any actual spy craft.
No they really don't. Most of them will downplay their connection to even the IC and just claim to work for the DoD unless they're with close friends or family.
Advertising your connection to the IC is rather discouraged by the community in general.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:46 am to AUin02
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No they really don't. Most of them will downplay their connection to even the IC and just claim to work for the DoD unless they're with close friends or family.
Advertising your connection to the IC is rather discouraged by the community in general.
Uh, people like Snowden definitely do, as do a lot of people once they leave the IC. Now you're correct I was being overbroad in saying "a lot," but the public doesn't understand the DI vs NCS, and assumes CIA = NCS. Hence, you get a lot of people who want to play up their experience having to edge closer to spook territory when they really weren't. Federal LEOs who work with intelligence agencies do it too, and one comes to mind that published a book about himself as a spy.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:48 am to AUin02
quote:
A lot of people in the intelligence community claim to be spies, who aren't involved in any actual spy craft.
No they really don't. Most of them will downplay their connection to even the IC and just claim to work for the DoD unless they're with close friends or family.
Advertising your connection to the IC is rather discouraged by the community in general.
he was actually working for a company called SD-6, only to find out they were not a black-ops organization that worked for the CIA, and began work for the CIA where he learned the NSA was out of control.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 11:48 am to MagicCityBlazer
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The idea of a flunky having high level access makes me think the CIA is out of control.
I'm not saying he was a flunky. I'm saying there are thousands of CIA/NSA employees who don't do any espionage the way we think of it.
Just because he's not a spy doesn't mean he's not important, or that he didn't have a need for sensitive material.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:25 pm to Pettifogger
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Uh, people like Snowden definitely d
This is really the matter at hand. Do we believe the NSA/MSM label of Snowden as a narcissistic, selfish, overblown prima donna (and lots of people trying to puff their egos like your LEO example will do this) in which case claiming to be a spy fits.
Or do we believe Snowden? Like you said, not everyone who works in the IC is a spy. Honestly the actual spies or operators are a relatively small %. Snowden being a spy doesn't guarantee he would have had access. Perhaps skills to gain access.
But bottom line thus far is Snowden has been right and considerably more open and honest than the government so far, so until we see something concrete that contradicts Snowden on this I'm inclined to take him at his word.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:26 pm to MagicCityBlazer
IMO, Snowden ought to HEADING UP the CIA. After all, they are there to protect and defend OUR FREEDOM, via the Constitution. Not undermine it. Seems he's the only one solely dedicated to his job. Seems like the rest serve the machine, and not the principles which the machine is created to serve.
When is that list coming out? Election time?
When is that list coming out? Election time?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:28 pm to baybeefeetz
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Has anybody asked the following question yet: what if he still is a spy for the CIA?
This came to mind. As someone noted earlier, if a US intelligence agency really wanted someone dead, it would have already happened.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:31 pm to AUin02
I agree with how you're approaching it, I'm just not at the same conclusion yet. Snowden's handling of this in the initial stages was bad, IMO.
In his defense, I don't buy into the "a real whistleblower would stick around and face the music." I've seen up close the process, and I've seen some credible folks get totally steamrolled.
But what I will say is that many of the folks I've encountered personally are something of narcissistic outcasts who overestimate the value of their whistleblowing. Now the latter isn't true of Snowden, obviously, but he still strikes me as someone who cared more about his role in blowing the whistle than in what it revealed.
In his defense, I don't buy into the "a real whistleblower would stick around and face the music." I've seen up close the process, and I've seen some credible folks get totally steamrolled.
But what I will say is that many of the folks I've encountered personally are something of narcissistic outcasts who overestimate the value of their whistleblowing. Now the latter isn't true of Snowden, obviously, but he still strikes me as someone who cared more about his role in blowing the whistle than in what it revealed.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:45 pm to Pettifogger
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In his defense, I don't buy into the "a real whistleblower would stick around and face the music." I've seen up close the process, and I've seen some credible folks get totally steamrolled.
This is very true. I don't blame him one bit for getting out of here. The powers that be in the IC would not hesitate to bury someone like Snowden.
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narcissistic outcasts who overestimate the value of their whistleblowing.
I wondered this about Snowden as well. I think the value of his actions has been on display throughout this process.
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Snowden's handling of this in the initial stages was bad, IMO.
Let's be honest there's not much in the way of precedence for what he is doing. Hard to take the best steps when you're basically the first to do so.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:31 pm to baybeefeetz
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Has anybody asked the following question yet: what if he still is a spy for the CIA?
I'm sure the Russians are looking into that/have considered that. Could be the greatest sheepdipping operation in history - but why is he drawing attention to it by saying, now, "I was trained as a spy"?
Just crazy enough to work...
Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:46 pm to Ace Midnight
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what if he still is a spy for the CIA?
Aren't there tin foil hatters out there who believe the CIA and the army are at war in the US? In like an underground tunnel or something? Because Snowden being a CIA spy who ruins the tools of the NSA (run by the army) would be a perfect fit for those people.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:02 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Because the NSA will not release emails?
Says there were other emails and calls on the NSA to release them.
Snowden is a master level troll!
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:06 pm to NC_Tigah
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Because the NSA will not release emails?
No, b.c he is slowly pulling this stuff out.
He said he raised concerns, the gov't so no he didn't, no emails.
Then they found an email.
he says there are others.
He has those emails and he is trolling for the gov't to lie YET AGAIN. And then he will dump them.
This is master level trolling IMHO.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:06 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:You guys amuse me. Too many movies.
This came to mind. As someone noted earlier, if a US intelligence agency really wanted someone dead, it would have already happened.
If it were that simple, there would be quite a few people not walking this planet that are.
It's not nearly so simple as you think.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 2:08 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Like Valerie Plame.
A lot of people in the intelligence community claim to be spies, who aren't involved in any actual spy craft.
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