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Small Modular Nuclear Reactors (SMR). Good or Bad?

Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:39 am
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5525 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:39 am
This tech is in use in other parts of the world. For example Canada. Know a guy who went there to study the tech.

We all know that nuclear is clean. But is it safe? Is it secure enough from attacks? How will they be "guarded"?

Currently we have 54 plants. But we are looking at a world with AI and they require a lot of energy so places like Amazon, Google are investing into SMRs. Amazon just announced this plan along with Dominion Energy in Va.

Not against it. Just a different topic.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5147 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:40 am to
It's the answer to a lot of questions, which typically means it'll be demonized by those who stand to profit off of never solving the problem.
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
2682 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:43 am to
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It's the answer to a lot of questions


Bingo. It’s sort of like pharma. Why cure you when we can have you as customers on monthly subscriptions for the rest of your life?

Everything in today's society is now subscription based whether it’s marketed as that or not.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133833 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:44 am to
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Small Modular Nuclear Reactors (SMR). Good or Bad?


Good.

quote:

But is it safe?


I asked ChatGPT to address this question:

Inherent and Passive Safety Features
1.Passive Cooling Systems: SMRs often use natural forces, such as gravity, convection, and natural circulation, to manage heat and cooling without the need for active pumps or external power. This reduces the risk of overheating in the event of a power outage.
Smaller Core Size: The smaller size of the reactor core limits the amount of radioactive material, reducing the risk of a large-scale release in the event of an accident.
Lower Power Density: SMRs operate at a lower power density, which reduces the heat generated within the reactor. This allows the system to cool more effectively and reduces the potential for thermal stress and damage.

2. Modular Construction and Deployment
Underground or Submersible Reactor Modules: Many SMRs are designed to be installed underground or underwater, providing additional physical protection from external threats such as natural disasters, sabotage, or terrorist attacks.
Factory Construction: SMRs are built in controlled factory environments and transported to their site. This allows for rigorous quality control during construction, reducing the likelihood of human error or defects in the design.

3. Advanced Containment Systems
Containment Vessel: SMRs are designed with advanced containment structures that can withstand extreme conditions, such as earthquakes, floods, or explosions. The containment vessel ensures that radioactive materials remain confined even in the event of an accident.
Reactor Isolation: In the case of a serious malfunction, SMRs have automatic systems that can isolate the reactor from the rest of the plant, preventing the spread of any radioactive material.

4. Redundancy and Diversification of Safety Systems
Multiple Redundant Safety Systems: SMRs incorporate redundant safety systems so that if one system fails, backup systems can take over. These backups are often diverse, meaning they use different mechanisms to achieve the same goal (e.g., multiple cooling systems with different power sources).
Autonomous Shutdown Capabilities: Many SMR designs are equipped with systems that can automatically shut down the reactor safely without human intervention if abnormal conditions are detected (e.g., excessive heat or pressure).

5. Emergency Planning Zone Reduction
Smaller Emergency Zones: Due to the smaller size and lower power output of SMRs, the potential radiological release in the event of an accident is significantly lower than that of traditional nuclear plants. This allows for smaller emergency planning zones, typically limited to the plant site itself, which simplifies emergency preparedness and response measures.

6. Resilience Against External Events
Earthquake and Flood Resilience: Many SMRs are designed to withstand earthquakes, floods, and other natural disasters. Being installed underground or in more protected locations also provides an extra layer of defense against such external events.
Resilience to Terrorist Threats: Due to their smaller size, modularity, and the potential for underground installation, SMRs are less vulnerable to terrorist attacks compared to traditional nuclear reactors.

7. Fuel Design and Accident Tolerance
Advanced Fuel: SMRs may use advanced fuel designs, such as high-assay low-enriched uranium (HALEU) or ceramic-based fuels, which have higher temperature tolerance and are less likely to degrade under accident conditions.
Longer Refueling Intervals: SMRs are designed to operate for extended periods (up to 10 years or more) without refueling, which reduces the frequency of handling nuclear fuel and lowers the risk associated with fuel transport and reloading operations.

8. Regulatory Oversight
Licensing by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC): In the U.S., the NRC oversees the design, construction, and operation of SMRs to ensure they meet strict safety standards. This includes reviewing the passive and inherent safety features, conducting risk assessments, and ensuring compliance with all safety regulations.
International Safety Standards: International agencies like the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) set global safety standards and share best practices for the safe development and operation of SMRs.

9. Fail-Safe and Human Error Mitigation
Human Error Reduction: The automation of many safety systems and the inherent simplicity of SMRs reduces the reliance on human intervention, lowering the likelihood of accidents caused by operator error.
Fail-Safe Design: Many SMRs are designed with "walk-away safety," meaning that even in the absence of human intervention, the plant can safely shut itself down and cool the reactor core.

10. Spent Fuel and Waste Management
Integrated Fuel Storage: Some SMR designs incorporate spent fuel storage within the reactor module itself, reducing the need for separate, large-scale spent fuel storage facilities. This limits the movement and handling of radioactive waste.
Reduced Waste: Many SMRs are designed to be more efficient in their use of nuclear fuel, generating less waste compared to traditional reactors.
Posted by JellyRoll
Member since Apr 2024
1003 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:51 am to
It will be the best way for tech companies and others to power their AI and a I know of a Pennsylvania county that already inked a deal for a reactor to power their county.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
40985 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 9:53 am to
They're good.

I want one.

They're already using them to power underground celebrity and billionaire fall out shelters all over the country .... but mostly in Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20189 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:01 am to
Good as long as the engineering is not done by DEI hires.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
77138 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:04 am to
It's coming no matter what you think about it.


The biggest dogs like Google, Microsoft and Amazon have decided they want it.


They have the money to buy the politicians needed to dismantle the regulatory hurtles and the media muscle to convince the public that it's the best idea ever.


Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
5525 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:28 am to
I believe they are a great source. The safety issue I am referring to is more so terror attacks.

Posted by Audustxx
Member since Jul 2022
1864 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 10:58 am to
Doc Brown had Mr. fusion. Was safe and ran off banana peals
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
3622 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:01 am to
Potentially awesome. The entire grid should be nuclear
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
36049 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:04 am to
I'd like to see a couple in NOLA...one to power downtown and one to power the S&WB....
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
5557 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:10 am to
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I believe they are a great source. The safety issue I am referring to is more so terror attacks.



IDK if these have the same tech, but new reactors have failsafes in them that trigger even if you intentionally try to cause a meltdown. The Chinese intentionally tried to reproduce the conditions that led to Chernobyl with one of their new reactors and it just wouldn't let them do it at all, and my understanding is that it isn't something you can disable, its part of the actual reactor. I guess you could blow one up or something.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47659 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:11 am to
Yes, Great tech. The lunatic left is finally getting on board with nuclear. They have set back their favorite cause, climate change, by 40 years through their idiotic opposition to nuclear.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1199 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:12 am to
From memory, they don’t have the enriched uranium concern so that aspect shouldn’t be an issue.
Posted by captainFid
Vestavia, AL
Member since Dec 2014
7916 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:27 am to
Great in concept... but are still so new, there's not a lot of data on them.

It's funny how Google, FaceBook/Meta, Microsoft and their executives shift to support nuclear power. As Democrats, they have resisted nuclear ALL MY LIFE.

Each AI datacenter needs about the power of one unit at Vogtle GA (units 3 & 4 just coming online) which is a tremendous amount of energy.

The cost and development of traditional plants is equally so expensive because of regulation and security.

Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
14831 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:34 am to
Most will not be commercially available until 2028 and beyond. Radiant, eVinci, Nupower and Kairos are building prototypes.
Posted by CSinLC
Member since May 2018
1237 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:36 am to
Good. Clean and cheap
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29720 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:38 am to
I think it should be one of our biggest investments. Every major city needs its own reactor.
Posted by CSATiger
The Battlefield
Member since Aug 2010
6623 posts
Posted on 10/16/24 at 11:57 am to
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I want one.
yep
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