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Signs the inflated real estate market is cooling

Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:26 am
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:26 am
WSJ: chinese now a net seller; first time since 2008.

Chinese investors have been buying up a ton of property, generally at inflated cash prices. This has been a cause of the market boom in some sectors.

Home sales in SoCal crashing; prices expected to follow.

Main factors cited are an increase in interest rates and lack of new buyers, even as inventory is continuing to rise.

Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69307 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:32 am to
Chinese investors should be banned from buying residential property in America

I see it firsthand here in Cali

I think it’s unfair that they are able to move markers like this
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 11:36 am
Posted by Jimbeaux28
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2007
4051 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:32 am to
No mention of demand? Maybe people are not feeling the California dream anymore and moving elsewhere?
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19528 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:33 am to
I just signed a buyer for my house in GA a couple days ago.

Read about the SoCal situation this morning and I’m very glad I’m selling.
Posted by Stuckinthe90s
Dallas, TX
Member since Apr 2013
2576 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:37 am to
Ugh I know, I have my home up for sale and am really hoping it goes before the bottom drops out. If so, its going to line up perfectly with my next purchase in 6-18 months.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:38 am to
I see it more as a correction, especially in SoCal. They were too high in pricing to begin with.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25365 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:38 am to
I’ve been concerned about this particular trend for a couple of years.

Hopefully the correction is relatively painless.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51664 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:42 am to
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Home sales in SoCal


Considering how many businesses are leaving Cali and how real estate prices in many areas have skyrocketed I'm not sure I would use this as a measuring stick for the entire country.

While new home sales are down (at least from the latest numbers I can find) it's still up for the year and continuing to trend upward.

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This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 2:27 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146905 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:44 am to
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Chinese investors have been buying up a ton of property,
I just heard the other day that wealthy folks that wear table cloths on their head and have more money than they know what to do with are also buying up real estate. Gas stations, homes, even property that nobody wants in the hood.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25365 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:45 am to
A lot of people just getting started in my industry do their time in the Bay Area, enjoy the amenities there, then move out after a few years.

We used to joke about how the folks that are based there shouldn’t bother making close friends as they’ll all be somewhere else in a couple of years.

I don’t see the rental market there changing very much. In fact I think they need more housing supply.

Not sure what the issue is in SoCal.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 11:47 am
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25365 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:48 am to
quote:

I just heard the other day that wealthy folks that wear table cloths on their head and have more money than they know what to do with are also buying up real estate


Investors in the ME and China are buying a lot of properties in San Francisco, New York, DC, Toronto, Seattle, LA, Vancouver, etc.

It’s a relatively stable place to keep your money.

It also drives up housing prices for millenials.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17481 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:48 am to
California real estate values do not affect me where I live. California reaping what they sow. People moving out faster than they move in affecting them.


eta: Which downvoter is the real estate guru here? Because California is the harbinger of all things real estate value in the US.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 10:42 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:49 am to
If I recall correctly, ultra progressive New Zealand just banned foreign purchase of residential property.
Posted by jbond
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2012
4938 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:50 am to
As long as home prices in Atlanta keep rising I'm cool.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:54 am to
The really unique thing that most people completely lose track of is the previous "mortgage meltdown." The ancillary market correction in home prices wasn't really felt on Main Street. In major metropolitan areas like Miami, SoCal, etc you saw bigtime corrections.

But in Louisiana-and the majority of the nation-there wasn't widespread, massive, large-scale evaporation of homeowner equity. Historically a single-family residence will appreciate 3-5% a year during an average economic environment.

Sometimes a little less if things are bad. Sometimes a little more if things are good. The wild volatility only occurs in bubble markets which are major metro areas. The issue is that millions of people live in these markets and think that this is reality across the nation. When in reality the media that caters to these major markets is really only fueling a localized narrative that doesn't apply to the nation as a whole.

Sure I can remember seeing oceanfront condos that were unfinished on the inside being advertised for $75K apiece in Destin a decade or so ago. But again, that's localized, anecdotal evidence restricted to a specific market.

When we're talking about SoCal, there were doublewides on tiny pieces of land selling for multi-six-figure amounts almost 15 years ago. I'm not prepared to say we are about to have another real estate correction anytime soon...and even if we do, I doubt it is as deep and damaging as big-city/major-media-market media coverage will suggest.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

the inflated real estate market
It's patchy. Manhattan, Seattle, SanFrancisco markets are way out. Other areas, not so much. Plenty of squares on the checkerboard have remained relatively flat over 15yrs. Others like Detroit are down.
Posted by Barneyrb
NELA
Member since May 2016
5113 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:33 pm to
I wish it would correct itself some. I bought my house in 1999 (under $200K) and I'm now paying taxes on north of $400K, no way it's worth that.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:35 pm to
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I wish it would correct itself some. I bought my house in 1999 (under $200K) and I'm now paying taxes on north of $400K, no way it's worth that.
Well doubling it's value in 19 years would mean it would need to increase its value about 3.7% annually. That's not an exteme increase.
This post was edited on 7/25/18 at 12:36 pm
Posted by AUFanInSoCal
Orange County
Member since Nov 2007
1616 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

I see it firsthand here in Cali


Me too. I'm going to sell next year and get the heck out of here. Home prices are ridiculous.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140552 posts
Posted on 7/25/18 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

That's no an exteme increase.


It's really no an eteme increase is it?
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