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Should the government have confiscated land to save the ivory billed woodpecker?

Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:17 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:17 am
The Singer tract was effectively the last holdout of the ivory billed woodpecker. The land was logged and the birds were wiped out.

Private property rights or save a species from extinction in this case?

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The team located a population of woodpeckers in Madison Parish in northeastern Louisiana, in a section of the old-growth forest called the Singer tract, owned by the Singer Sewing Company, where logging rights were held by the Chicago Mill and Lumber Company. The team made the only universally accepted audio and motion picture recordings of the ivory-billed woodpecker.[73] The National Audubon Society attempted to buy the logging rights to the tract so the habitat and birds could be preserved, but the company rejected their offer. Tanner spent 1937-1939 studying the ivory-billed woodpeckers on the Singer tract and travelling across the southern United States searching for other populations as part of his thesis work. At that time, he estimated there were 22–24 birds remaining, of which 6–8 were on the Singer tract. The last universally accepted sighting of an ivory billed woodpecker in the United States was made on the Singer tract by Audubon Society artist Don Eckelberry in April 1944,[74] when logging of the tract was nearly complete.[75]
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 11:21 am
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:25 am to
Property rights > woodpecker all day every day everywhere forever.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260344 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:27 am to
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Private property rights


Any day.

Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:28 am to
Extinction is as natural as trees, grass, and wildflowers. I forget the number, but the percentage of every creature that ever existed being extinct is very high. So why is it such a tragedy, and not considered the normal course of nature?
Posted by LSU Grad Alabama Fan
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Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:29 am to
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Posted by DragginFly
Under the Mountain;By the Lake
Member since Oct 2014
3598 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:30 am to
The government should have moved the woodpeckers to Oklahoma.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:31 am to
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Property rights > woodpecker all day every day everywhere forever.


I increasingly cannot agree with this and it is alienating me from my lifelong right side political views.

This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 11:33 am
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:32 am to
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Extinction is as natural as trees, grass, and wildflowers.


Was extinction of the passenger pigeon a natural process? Serious question, not being rhetorical.

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the normal course of nature?


I guess it depends on if mankind’s incredible stupidity and voracious appetite for comfort are parts of the normal course of nature.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 11:37 am
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38970 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:33 am to
The government should trade the landowner 1:1 for land without woodpeckers.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:34 am to
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Any day.


What if someone bought Denali and decided to blow the top out and start mining the mountain to pieces?
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
34649 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:36 am to
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The government should trade the landowner 1:1 for land without woodpeckers.




that would have been a fair solution...
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:37 am to
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I increasingly cannot agree with this and it is alienating from my lifelong right side political views.


Thinking that the government should hold any kind of sway over anyone’s personal property of any kind is about as far as you can get from a right side political view.
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Member since Aug 2019
7819 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:38 am to
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Property rights > woodpecker all day every day everywhere forever.

This is probably one of the only thing I really agree with the lefties, we humans consume way too much wilderness on dumb shite in our neverending quest for infinite growth. I think one of the main reasons city folk are going increasingly insane is the increasing difficulty in accessing forest and other green spaces.
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:40 am to
I understand that, which is why I am in conflict with myself.

Answer this: What would Yellowstone be today without government? Or pick your park of choice.

Does the preservation of certain things and places that benefit the planet as a whole supersede your right to build a firework stand?

Posted by Spoonbilla
Member since Aug 2022
779 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:41 am to
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Property rights > woodpecker all day every day everywhere forever.


Yes. Frick the charlatans that abuse the memory of an extincting species. Judge Alex Sanders in South Carolina loves to tell the tale of his chicanery using the memory of this noble bird to push his socialist ideals.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:42 am to
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the last holdout of the ivory billed woodpecker


Why does the owner of the last location have fewer rights than the owner of the first?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:43 am to
Options, in order of acceptability:

1. Landowner uses land in a way that also protects species
2. Private conservancy buys land in market transaction.
3. Government buys land in market transaction.
4. Government exercises eminent domain.
5. Government “seizes” land.
6. Species allowed to go extinct.

In my view, 5 and 6 are unacceptable.
Posted by jivy26
Member since Nov 2008
2760 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:45 am to
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Should the government have confiscated land to save the ivory billed woodpecker?


Nah
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8374 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:46 am to
...no but they should have confiscated it to save the howling hairy legged yellow bellied sapsucker.
This post was edited on 11/5/22 at 5:25 pm
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
15803 posts
Posted on 11/5/22 at 11:47 am to
Property rights are a fundamental pillar of a free society. If they're subordinated for a woodpecker, they'll be subordinated for anything and the slide toward tyranny begins.
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