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re: Should Iran be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon?

Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by MKP2004
Member since Mar 2026
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:16 pm to
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The USA is the number one sponser of terrorism and its not close.

Wut?

Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12268 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:35 pm to
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I’m just trying to figure out the precise context of it in this specific situation.


Context was cost-benefit analysis. I wasn’t suggesting that it is imminent.

I am trying to establish if there is a point where saying “they shouldn’t be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon” meets ground invasion, should that be necessary… we don’t know if regime change is required to achieve this goal.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 8:39 pm
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
10469 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:36 pm to
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They’re literally surrounded by nuclear armed countries. India and Pakistan both have them. JFK unsuccessfully tried to stop Israel from getting them. Why would Iran not want nuclear weapons?



If, after three months of Iran targeting civilian sites and firing on ships in neutral countries, you still can’t answer the question, then you’re not lacking information—you’re lacking intellectual honesty.
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3138 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:41 pm to
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The old military adage was no one would use a nuclear weapon because of mutually assured destruction. That assumes you have rational actors. In Iran's case, they do not. They believe there are 72 virgins waiting for them. 


First, if Iran's leaders are fundamentally irrational, then why have we repeatedly had sit down negotiations with their diplomats? Why were we negotiating with them before this war? Why are we waiting around on their reaction to a proposed agreement right this very minute? Is that what you do with crazy people, make diplomats fly halfway around the world to negotiate the fine points of complex agreements with them?

Second, if simply being Muslim makes you fundamentally irrational, then why does the USA have security arrangements and partnerships with nations led by irrational people? Why have we done that for decades? Why does our president praise and sit down to eat with dangerous, crazy people?
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 8:44 pm
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55701 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:41 pm to
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The old military adage was no one would use a nuclear weapon because of mutually assured destruction. That assumes you have rational actors. In Iran's case, they're not rational.


Right here ^^^^^^y'all.
Posted by DeBoar
Cullman, AL
Member since Jan 2024
1010 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:47 pm to
The people advocating that they should have them are wackjobs themselves. TDS literally makes them support bad actors having weapons of mass destruction and hating our president lol
Posted by DeBoar
Cullman, AL
Member since Jan 2024
1010 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:48 pm to
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The USA is the number one sponser of terrorism and its not close.


You’re free to move to any of these other shite holes if it’s so bad here and you hate it
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12268 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:49 pm to
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Right here ^^^^^^y'all.


Hey OP, you didn’t respond to my question. What is the cost?

As a thought exercise, would you support sending in drafted 18 year olds to get rid of the regime?
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:54 pm to
Also, don’t you have to ask yourself that question if you are going to respond to the OP?

Edit - It’s not going to be necessary, only if Options A, B, C. Don’t work. So possibly as option D. Or you would quit the war.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 8:59 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36617 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 8:59 pm to
Ask myself the question with the draft scenario? I was referring specifically to the draft scenario/question.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298489 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:02 pm to
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You’re free to move to any of these other shite holes i



Are you saying our terrorism is wrong? strange.

I thought you people loved having the government provide your collective tasks?
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
7901 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:11 pm to
Chucky, it is not a foregone conclusion that we would respond to a nuclear first strike with an overwhelming response. If North Korea or Iran were to nuke New York or LA, I’m not convinced we would even respond with a nuclear retaliatory strike.

At best, there would be a proportional retaliation which in my opinion would not be enough.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12268 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:14 pm to
The greater question “should Iran be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon”

We all ask ourselves that question - sure I want to prevent it, but at what cost. This isn’t some light arse negotiation right now.

Bombing the hell out of Iran feels like we are being goaded into it. Missiles flying all over the ME because the US is being tested economically or politically? For what?

Can’t just be killing civilians.

And I’d be against a draft.
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
3138 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:32 pm to
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Chucky, it is not a foregone conclusion that we would respond to a nuclear first strike with an overwhelming response. If North Korea or Iran were to nuke New York or LA, I’m not convinced we would even respond with a nuclear retaliatory strike.

At best, there would be a proportional retaliation which in my opinion would not be enough.
Just so we're clear, you don't believe that Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth would respond to an Iranian nuclear attack on New York City with a retaliatory strike?

If that's what you believe, then I can understand why you think that a nuclear armed Iran is an existential threat to the USA.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 9:48 pm
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11336 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:36 pm to
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Why are we dictating national defense issues to a sovereign foreign country? The national defense of this country isn’t beholden to any foreign power, why should theirs be?


This is where principles and common sense collide. You're so principled that you are OK with terrorists having a nuke just because they lead a country.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13383 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 9:55 pm to
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Why are we dictating national defense issues to a sovereign foreign country? The national defense of this country isn’t beholden to any foreign power, why should theirs be?


Bear with me for a minute.

The middle to upper class liberal in America thinks that all the lower class needs are more opportunities. Give them more opportunities, opportunities for education, for jobs, for a better life, and they will take those opportunities.

This is a fantasy for the vast majority of those in the lower class, but the "privileged" if you will, liberal can't see that. Because he assumes that individuals in the lower class think like he does.

He would take better opportunities, be grateful for them and make the most of them, so he assumes that everyone would.

He can't understand that his viewpoint is vastly different from people with a vastly different background from him, and a vastly different viewpoint motivates vastly different actions.

That may sound like it's not related to your questions, but it is.

Many nations around the world cannot be trusted. Your viewpoint is colored by the fact that you live in a country in which civil rights are respected and authority may be questioned—that is evident in the very questions you just asked. This is simply not true of much—if not most—of the world.

That portion of the world doesn't respond to anything but force or the threat of force.
This post was edited on 5/7/26 at 9:55 pm
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1711 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:20 pm to
This has proven to be a very revealing question.

We have discovered some highly emotional feminine bitch is a full blown retard.

Posted by Old Money
LSU
Member since Sep 2012
41758 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:22 pm to
Kim stocks are through the roof. Rocket man knew what had to be done.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143770 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:38 pm to
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How many countries have NK and Pakistan nuked?


Trump has turned you pro-Iran.

Both sad and amusing at the same time.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13383 posts
Posted on 5/7/26 at 10:40 pm to
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How many countries have NK and Pakistan nuked?


Which rival countries have NK and Pakistan issued sacred fundamentalist vows to wipe off the face of the Earth?
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