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re: Shocking New Evidence on Tylenol and Harm
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:12 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:12 am to TigerDoc
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better their obstetrician and yes, this is right. The WH is ignoring what obstetrical experts are saying about this and what guidance obstetricians will be getting.
I guarantee you the people at Harvard, John Hopkins and the US Autism Task Force have exponentially more time reading and carefuly studying the studies than your average physician.
Moreover, in medical school the doctors are not trained on how to read scientific studies.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:21 am to SallysHuman
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This isn't a "never" but a judicious application recommendation.
Trump said explicitly to never take it.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:22 am to Ancient Astronaut
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The same folks that told us to take the Covid shot are the same ones telling us Tylenol safe
This…..and the same ones that say babies need the Hep B vaccines within 24 hours of birth.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:23 am to SaintsTiger
They're trained, but not all skilled, and yes, people who do it as a career are better than your average physician.
But what epidemiologists aren't as good at is what do when a individual person with a collection of risks pointing in different directions is sick and worried about their health and their baby should do given their particular medical issues and values amidst all different kinds of uncertainty.
But what epidemiologists aren't as good at is what do when a individual person with a collection of risks pointing in different directions is sick and worried about their health and their baby should do given their particular medical issues and values amidst all different kinds of uncertainty.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 7:24 am
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:25 am to TigerDoc
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But what epidemiologists aren't as good at is what do when a individual person with a collection of risks pointing in different directions is sick and worried about their health and their baby should do given their particular medical issues and values amidst all different kinds of uncertainty.
Then we probably don't want them involved in what vaccines are mandated.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:27 am to SallysHuman
Need to read the full details on the study, but any legitimate evidence should be considered.
“Association” also does not equal “causes”.
The question is are other factors like the high fever that they are taking the medicine for the actual cause or is it the medication.
It may be both, neither or one of them. The study details will be interesting. My issue is that people who claimed doctors and science can’t be trusted magically trust doctors as long as their results te s and analysis support their side.
I hope they figure it out, but I have doubts this is going to be the direct link they are trying to make it out to be.
“Association” also does not equal “causes”.
The question is are other factors like the high fever that they are taking the medicine for the actual cause or is it the medication.
It may be both, neither or one of them. The study details will be interesting. My issue is that people who claimed doctors and science can’t be trusted magically trust doctors as long as their results te s and analysis support their side.
I hope they figure it out, but I have doubts this is going to be the direct link they are trying to make it out to be.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:27 am to SallysHuman
We will let you know our findings in 75 years.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:33 am to TigerDoc
They don’t have time to read the studies AFAIK. And thus rely on top down guidance, much of which is corrupted science.
I for one am glad all of this information is coming out about Tylenol. Women should’ve long had these risk factors explained to them. Not simply told Tylenol is safe. Now we have many more kids with ADHD and autism than we should
I for one am glad all of this information is coming out about Tylenol. Women should’ve long had these risk factors explained to them. Not simply told Tylenol is safe. Now we have many more kids with ADHD and autism than we should
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:36 am to dgnx6
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We will let you know our findings in 75 years.
And by that time 1 in 5 kids will have autism.
When are we just going to admit we have created a toxic sludge of shite pumped into people from diet and over prescription of meds.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:37 am to crazy4lsu
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At best, this is inconclusive. At worst, the link is just a convenient answer for a poorly posed question. And of course, these link should beg the question of the exact mechanism at play, in stark contrast to the association between neural tube defects and folate deficiency. The end result is going to be something even more stupid, where Tylenol will be withheld, perhaps leading to more cases of NSAID use during pregnancy.
A question I have , was autism being diagnosed prior to the development of Tylenol?
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:42 am to Flats
I too would like them to have more general clinical sense, and yet if we didn't have access to their knowledge about broad, clean questions clinicians would take much worse care of people and people would be sicker and more miserable than they are. Both skill sets are needed.
This post was edited on 9/23/25 at 7:44 am
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:42 am to bigjoe1
yes, but nobody is saying it's the sole cause.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:43 am to SallysHuman
The two reports were published in 2019 and 2021, yet the previous HHS apparatus never told anyone, did not provide a campaign to warn expectant mother's????
The HHS has been a danger to society because they are a political appointed department that acts as a gate keeper to information people need and information they don't want people to know.
The HHS has been a danger to society because they are a political appointed department that acts as a gate keeper to information people need and information they don't want people to know.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:45 am to TigerDoc
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and yet if we didn't have access to their knowledge
I didn't say anything about erasing them (or their knowledge) from the planet, I said we probably don't want them involved in deciding what vaccines are mandated.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:46 am to TigerDoc
The diagnosis of autism has significantly changed in the last 20 years due to shifts in diagnostic criteria, increased public awareness, and improved screening and identification methods, which have led to a substantial rise in diagnoses across various age groups and demographics. Key changes include the 2013 DSM-5's creation of a single "autism spectrum disorder" category, greater understanding and visibility of less intense support needs, and earlier identification of the condition, contributing to a more consistent global understanding and higher detection rates.
Changes in Diagnostic Criteria:
DSM-5 in 2013:
The American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5 consolidated previously separate diagnoses, such as autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified, into a single umbrella diagnosis called Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD).
Broader Definition:
The shift to a spectrum model allowed for a more encompassing definition of autism, recognizing a wider range of presentations and support needs that might not have been captured by older, narrower criteria.
Changes in Diagnostic Criteria:
DSM-5 in 2013:
The American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5 consolidated previously separate diagnoses, such as autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder-Not Otherwise Specified, into a single umbrella diagnosis called Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD).
Broader Definition:
The shift to a spectrum model allowed for a more encompassing definition of autism, recognizing a wider range of presentations and support needs that might not have been captured by older, narrower criteria.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:46 am to LSUTANGERINE
Okay... I'm looking through the full text of the Swedish study.
My first observation is that the charts and explanations don't always seem to jive.
My second observation is even with sibling control, ADHD is still associated.
Something I don't understand is why they included so many variables on singles but excluded the same variables on siblings... or maybe I'm not reading that right. Let me screenshot it.
Here's a chart within that study that certainly LOOKS like tylenol is problematic.
My first observation is that the charts and explanations don't always seem to jive.
My second observation is even with sibling control, ADHD is still associated.
Something I don't understand is why they included so many variables on singles but excluded the same variables on siblings... or maybe I'm not reading that right. Let me screenshot it.
Here's a chart within that study that certainly LOOKS like tylenol is problematic.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:47 am to SaintsTiger
the paradox about these things is that in the micro case that makes sense (more info about abstract risk x is better), but in the macro sense, you can get measurable net harms (more people hurt from making health choices to avoid x when they end up choosing y & z which they also don't understand but are actually riskier to them and their child)
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:47 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Trump said explicitly to never take it.
I already ceded that was problematic.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:47 am to fwtex
The thing that shocks me is how the cable news lunatics immediately marched out fake “medical correspondents” to call the NIH liars and tell mothers there’s zero studies that show this connection. They’re willing to lie to moms and put babies at risk to #resist. It’s disgusting.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 7:47 am to Flats
There are vanishingly few people like the ones you're hoping for.
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