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re: SHOCKER! LTC Vindman is a dim Partisan w/ Hx of Shittalking America While On Duty
Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:16 pm to OleWar
Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:16 pm to OleWar
quote:Saw something posted here earlier this week that Vindman already has a gig lined up as a lobbyist in Ukraine as a matter of fact.
He has already served twenty years, he probably is ready to get out and transfer his clearance in to making more money in some fraudulent private intelligence contracting firm , most likely part of his calculation.
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Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:18 pm to Champagne
Most raters and senior raters fail to do their duty in developing, counseling and mentoring subordinates and do the bare minimum for evaluations.
The best indicator would be to hear from one of his platoon leaders that served under him when he was a company commander.
The best indicator would be to hear from one of his platoon leaders that served under him when he was a company commander.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
In response to what Champagne said and in support of your post, it is highly doubtful his rater was even aware of the comments that had been made. And if aware, highly doubtful that the rater documented them in counseling. Vindman would have had to had to been openly and consistently disrespectful to have drawn attention to himself. And that is still debatable. Sad but true.
I have made it abundantly clear to officers that serve under me are to be apolitical in their openly stated beliefs. I have corrected peers on social media for making disparaging remarks about political figures and policies. But I realize that I am no longer the norm.
I have made it abundantly clear to officers that serve under me are to be apolitical in their openly stated beliefs. I have corrected peers on social media for making disparaging remarks about political figures and policies. But I realize that I am no longer the norm.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 6:42 pm to Wolfhound45
CSA and SMA have put out multiple warnings and policies regarding social media behavior and expressing political views and "behavior on social media".
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 7:16 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
You are correct. What has been your experience in seeing them enforced? I am “friends” with many people (AC and RC) on social media. I have had to correct several individuals on the Left and Right for inappropriate conduct. Surprised I even had to do it.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 7:41 pm to Wolfhound45
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What has been your experience in seeing them enforced?
In almost every case, someone has to report it before anyone in leadership is even aware it's happening. Most of the people I associate with waited until they were retired to post things like that.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 7:43 pm to IslandBuckeye
quote:Oh, but they'd shite a brick if an officer said the same about Obama.
Your lack of concern about political agendas in military leadership shows your love of fascism.
Typical new age liberal.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 7:52 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Hickman says that Vindman was assigned to the US Embassy in Moscow, so he was either Defense Intelligence Agency, Office of Defense Cooperation or Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
Remember it was 2012, Obama had told the Russians to wait until the elections were over so he could have more flexibility. Vindman sounds like he was more in line with national policy than Hickman, I think Hickman would have gotten in more trouble had he reported the incident in that environment.
Remember it was 2012, Obama had told the Russians to wait until the elections were over so he could have more flexibility. Vindman sounds like he was more in line with national policy than Hickman, I think Hickman would have gotten in more trouble had he reported the incident in that environment.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:25 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
documented them in counseling.
Why does an act of misconduct that involves unbecoming and service discrediting statements need to be "documented" in counseling? If the chain of command has supporting evidence of the misconduct, can't the first General Officer in the chain of command then issue a Memo of Reprimand, and then file it in Vindman's personnel file? Assuming that the chain of command is aware of the misconduct and wishes to act, a written counseling statement isn't required for me to act, if I am the CG.
Am I wrong?
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:27 pm to OleWar
Sounds like Vindman is a FAO
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:28 pm to PhDoogan
So this is just another pussy hat wearing #resistance fighter?
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:29 pm to Champagne
quote:
Why does an act of misconduct that involves unbecoming and service discrediting statements need to be "documented" in counseling? If the chain of command has supporting evidence of the misconduct, can't the first General Officer in the chain of command then issue a Memo of Reprimand, and then file it in Vindman's personnel file? Assuming that the chain of command is aware of the misconduct and wishes to act, a written counseling statement isn't required for me to act, if I am the CG.
Am I wrong?
To hit a FG Officer with a GOMOR it’s gotta have some backing. More than likely with misconduct they just move them along somewhere else.
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:30 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
Vindman would have had to had to been openly and consistently disrespectful to have drawn attention to himself.
I am unclear WRT why you think this would be necessary. One act of misconduct is enough to warrant adverse action. The CG needn't wait until the officer is "openly and consistently disrespectful" in drawing attention to himself.
If you were my subordinate commander and Vindman's direct supervisor, you're going to advise me that I can't act because Vindman's act was not "consistently disrespectful"? Would that be your advice?
If I am the CG, and I have evidence of Vindman's statements, I can act. I don't need to wait to see if Vindman does it "consistently" or even one more time. I'm not trying to chapter an E3 out for being late for work, so, i don't need a pattern of misconduct.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:35 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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To hit a FG Officer with a GOMOR it’s gotta have some backing
Yes, you need the Commanding General to be interested in disciplining this Major. The CG can act.
Yes, my scenario assumes that the misconduct is noted and reported promptly up the chain of command.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:37 pm to Champagne
If someone is protected by a senior leader, they almost have to be publicly arrested with video evidence and public outcry for anything to happen. I had a fellow platoon leader openly brag about making a sex tape with an OBC classmate and blackmail her with it, then get 3 MOR for being shitfaced and insulting the Battalion Commander at a formal event...as a Lieutenant yet he made both Major and LTC below the zone despite not changing his behavior.
Fortunately he was not selected CSL.
Fortunately he was not selected CSL.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:37 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Notice he has 0 stars on his CIB. That means he's only deployed to combat once
That is not what that means....between 2003-present you could have deployed 5 times to Iraq and 3 times to AFG and have zero stars...
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:38 pm to cokebottleag
quote:
You get an OSR for Hawaii??
Yes and Germany and Italy. It’s overseas service...
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If someone is protected by a senior leader,
No need for us to discuss this scenario because it assumes quite a lot, but, yes, if the senior leader is in love with the misbehaving officer, the senior leader will probably not act in accordance with his duty, he will follow his emotions.
The real world situation you describe is really disturbing.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:39 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
OSR = at least 10 months in a short tour or at least 2 years 5 months in a long tour OCONUS or at least 9 months TCS deployment.
This post was edited on 11/2/19 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 11/2/19 at 8:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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OSR = at least 10 months in a short tour or at least 2 years 5 months in a long tour OCONUS.
9 months TCS
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