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re: Several Evangelical Christians on YT are saying God put Trump in the WH
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:33 pm to BamaTide1958
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:33 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:DUDE. Living in the Bible Belt and going to a Baptist church doesn't make you a Christian.
BamaTide1958
Do I need to spell it out for you?
America is violent due to poverty, which fuels a brutal cycle of drugs, apathy, and poor education.
Also a blending of ethnicities, unlike Scandinavia and South Korea (just 2 examples), will result in higher crime.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:34 pm to bayoubengals88
I don't know how I should be labelled or not, but I do know that I cannot attain His righteous through self, but need Him and His breath, without which, I am filthy dust and rags.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:36 pm to BamaTide1958
FYI Aristotle was not a christian he was dead over 300 years before Jesus was born.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:37 pm to Freauxzen
quote:Very true. We get to take the best of all of them. I hope that you would be willing to also read people like Calvin with the understanding that his writings can be beneficial as well (even though you don't agree with his form of predestination).
I wouldn't disagree. Not everything that everyone above is 100% correct.
Ultimately, I do believe, however, that the way to God is through his revealed word. And if tradition accurately summarizes Scripture, that works too.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:39 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:Though you know it not, this has been addressed already by both parties without it needing to be stated.
FYI Aristotle was not a christian he was dead over 300 years before Jesus was born.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:39 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:
FYI Aristotle was not a christian he was dead over 300 years before Jesus was born.
And?
He influenced human thought, which influenced how we wrote the bible, view the bible and talk through ideas. Understanding Aristotle and Plato can, in fact, help people understand the bible in ways that may make ideas more clear.
If, again going on your assertion that the "one book is a problem," then the way that book is oriented in culture and history is incredibly important. Aristotle is a HUGE part of that dance.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:40 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
Very true. We get to take the best of all of them. I hope that you would be willing to also read people like Calvin with the understanding that his writings can be beneficial as well (even though you don't agree with their form of predestination).
Ultimately, I do believe, however, that the way to God his through his revealed word. And if tradition accurately summarizes Scripture, that works too.
Exactly.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:41 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
America is violent due to poverty, which fuels a brutal cycle of drugs, apathy, and poor education.
Also a blending of ethnicities, unlike Scandinavia and South Korea (just 2 examples), will result in higher crime.
America is a third world country?
As far as blending ethnicity I'm white and my wife is from the Philippines. I did not know I was in such danger.
There is a common denominator regarding crime. Black people. They are by far the most violent segment of our society. cities and states with large black populations have the most violent crime.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:47 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:Parts of it is only marginally better. Do you think third world countries accurately report crime?
America is a third world country?
quote:Congrats. You're two people.
As far as blending ethnicity I'm white and my wife is from the Philippines. I did not know I was in such danger.
quote:100 years of no societal advancement followed by throwing money at them solved nothing.
There is a common denominator regarding crime. Black people. They are by far the most violent segment of our society. cities and states with large black populations have the most violent crime.
Again, no father, impoverished mother, drugs, no education, money spent unwisely, crime, no father, impoverished mother, drugs, no education, money spent unwisely, crime repeat, repeat, repeat.
Are you not going to address my points about Christianity not being a religion that stifles freedom?
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:57 pm to Poncho and Lefty
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Seems that the more ignorant people are, the more opinions they have.
Agreed, some are so ignorant they can't even tell the difference between opinion and fact.
Example:
"The original art in Unholy Strength featured a pentagram, considered to be a symbol for the occult and suggestive of demonic themes, and, as of 4th Edition and subsequent reprinted versions, it had been removed. It was the result of pressure from various groups against the demonic and satanic themes[2][3] and Christian groups started to complain about how Magic: The Gathering was introducing young defenceless minds to the influence of the devil; such groups caused enough of a stir that Wizards of the Coast also stopped producing creatures of the subtype "Demon" for several years."
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We see Christian groups behaving the same way as the SJW mob.
"On Wednesday, Magic: The Gathering publisher Wizards of the Coast took unprecedented measures to remove racist cards from its game. Seven cards in all, dating back to 1994, are now banned from play. Their images will also being removed from the game’s official online database.
“The events of the past weeks and the ongoing conversation about how we can better support people of color have caused us to examine ourselves, our actions, and our inactions,” Wizards said in a statement. “We appreciate everyone helping us to recognize when we fall short. We should have been better, we can be better, and we will be better.”
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You can see similar trends in music Christian groups behaving just like SJWs are today (banning Sex Pistols, the Beatles (who had their albums burned for the 'bigger than Jesus' lyric
), Black Sabbath, etc.). The SJWs might seem more rabid because they have access to easier communication and can spread the word faster, but in reality there's a lot of overlap with respect to cancel culture.
Cancel culture is a human issue, not a progressive one.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:03 pm to Kester5144
quote:
Several Evangelical Christians on YT are saying God put Trump in the WH
Nope, the leftist liberal commies will.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:10 pm to Azkiger
quote:That's the authoritarian right disguised as Christianity. It worked quite well for decades. I'm glad it's dying.
Azkiger
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:19 pm to Azkiger
quote:You are correct, however the "progressives" have taken it to a whole new level. Instead of organizing peaceful protests and boycotts, they are organizing riots and destroying public and private property. Instead of having people write letters to organizations expressing their displeasure with something, they are doxxing people who work for those companies and getting them fired. They are actually getting people fired for simply agreeing with those companies, or liking a particular statement from them or anyone else that isn't palatable. There is no peaceful disagreement with these "progressives". It is bend the knee or have your head cut off.
Cancel culture is a human issue, not a progressive one.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:48 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
You are correct, however the "progressives" have taken it to a whole new level. Instead of organizing peaceful protests and boycotts, they are organizing riots and destroying public and private property. Instead of having people write letters to organizations expressing their displeasure with something, they are doxxing people who work for those companies and getting them fired. They are actually getting people fired for simply agreeing with those companies, or liking a particular statement from them or anyone else that isn't palatable. There is no peaceful disagreement with these "progressives". It is bend the knee or have your head cut off.
You can find things that went beyond peaceful protests and boycotts. For example in the 60s you had police raids on gay bars. People were arrested for cross dressing, and their pictures would be in papers and on the news. While not the sort of doxing we see today (thanks technology) it could certainly be seen as using social pressure to get people to behave a certain way. That was actually a big cause of the stonewall riots in NYC, some of the cross dressing men refused to go into the bathrooms with police to check their genders because they feared being ousted.
I don't want to get into a pissing contest to say who's worse, because you won't have to twist my arm very hard to get me to say it's the progressives (and technology might play a role in that). But I do think there is a comparison between how American's are acting today and how they were acting when a completely different group of people held most of the power.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:20 pm to Azkiger
quote:We had a lot of morality laws on the books in various states that have been done away with over time. That's not quite the same as what we're seeing in terms of civilian protests, which is what we're discussing. Having your picture in the newspaper for breaking the law is not exactly the same thing as having your HR department contacted by some anonymous persons because you 'liked' a tweet.
You can find things that went beyond peaceful protests and boycotts. For example in the 60s you had police raids on gay bars. People were arrested for cross dressing, and their pictures would be in papers and on the news. While not the sort of doxing we see today (thanks technology) it could certainly be seen as using social pressure to get people to behave a certain way. That was actually a big cause of the stonewall riots in NYC, some of the cross dressing men refused to go into the bathrooms with police to check their genders because they feared being ousted.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:21 pm to Kester5144
I'm not 100% on that, but I will be praying for a re-election. If that fails, my family and I prepare for glory in Heaven whenever that may come to us.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:52 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Having your picture in the newspaper for breaking the law is not exactly the same thing as having your HR department contacted by some anonymous persons because you 'liked' a tweet.
You got me, I cant find any instances of people trying to get others fired for social media posts in the 60s
There's certainly technology differences that make comparisons impossible. But if you saw morality entrenched in the law it's not outlandish to expect to see those same sentiments in the population. Now make mass communication fit into the palm of your hand and what do you think would happen? quote:
That's not quite the same as what we're seeing in terms of civilian protests, which is what we're discussing.
That might be the discussion you'd like to have, but this conversation branch started on pg 1 when someone said Christian's were a threat to freedom as well and was downvoted to hell and immediately told how that's one of the stupidest things said.
It might not be a bullseye (progs are worse) there's still a lot of truth to it.
Christian are people, they're fallible, they're capable of authoritarianism as well. That's not outlandish. That's just factual.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 5:07 pm to Azkiger
quote:I think you missed the point. I'm talking about breaking the law vs. trying to destroy people for legally expressing their opinions. It's simply not the same thing.
You got me, I cant find any instances of people trying to get others fired for social media posts in the 60s There's certainly technology differences that make comparisons impossible.
quote:Sharing sentiments with the laws doesn't mean the citizenry, by and large, are making efforts to destroy random strangers, much less their neighbors, as we are seeing today. Even so, there's still a big difference between law enforcement and trying to destroy others for disagreements of opinion. Informing HR when an employee is arrested for child molestation or drunk driving is a far cry for contacting HR because someone said "all lives matter" in a social media post. It's about vengeful spite on a whole other level.
But if you saw morality entrenched in the law it's not outlandish to expect to see those same sentiments in the population. Now make mass communication fit into the palm of your hand and what do you think would happen?
quote:I responded to you, directly, about the comparison of the left's reaction to legal behavior vs. the right's response to illegal behavior. The conversation is about the right (especially the religious) vs. the left in how they respond to cultural taboos.
That might be the discussion you'd like to have, but this conversation branch started on pg 1 when someone said Christian's were a threat to freedom as well and was downvoted to hell and immediately told how that's one of the stupidest things said
I'm aware of the comment on the first page and I agree with those who think it's "stupid" to compare the two and I don't think technology is the differentiator between the two sides. It's a worldview issue, and those who have no rational basis for being civil with those who they disagree with are acting in a vindictively destructive manner to their ideological enemies in a way that is unlike the religious right did a few decades ago when acting as the "moral majority". The religious right during the 80s and 90s were trying to change the culture through boycotting institutions. The left, today, is trying to change the culture by destroying individuals as well as those institutions they don't like.
quote:It's the differences that matter, not necessarily the similarities, as I believe is demonstrated with the comparison of "shaming" someone through a mugshot in a newspaper for breaking the law vs. "outing" conservatives for liking political tweets.
It might not be a bullseye (progs are worse) there's still a lot of truth to it.
quote:That's true, but it's not "Christian" to actually hate your enemies and to seek to destroy those who disagree with you on matters of opinion. The very attitude of the Christian right vs. the left is generally a night and day difference. I may be annoyed by a relative for being a Democrat but I don't hate them with every fiber of my being for it, and as a Christian, I'd be in sin for doing so. That standard simply doesn't exist for the left.
Christian are people, they're fallible, they're capable of authoritarianism as well. That's not outlandish. That's just factual
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:28 pm to Kester5144
Well of course you can. That's pretty much where I am. I don't love Trump but he is clearly a better choice than anyone Republicans have brought to the table in the last 20 years. And of course better than the senile, sleeze bag, swamp creature that is Biden.
Posted on 7/14/20 at 12:33 pm to The Maj
True. It isn't destroyed but he put a sizable dent it. He at least made Washington realize the American voter has limits, and will not just blindly go with whatever slimy creature they drag out of the swamp to run for president.
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