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re: Several Evangelical Christians on YT are saying God put Trump in the WH
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:51 pm to BamaTide1958
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:51 pm to BamaTide1958
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I'm consistent I do not want religion, bible study, teacher led prayer OR personally morality and sex taught in schools!!!
I want parents doing that.
In a democratic republic, this seems like a fair perspective to me. Does anyone disagree with this man
Yeah, I think Christianity is objectively true. But the church and the home should be teaching that.
As long as the schools are theoretically neutral there's no problem. Uh oh. I just remembered there's no such thing as neutrality of worldviews. Herein lies the problem. Dammit!
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:52 pm to CFFreak
quote:What's an evangelical though?
I think Evangelicals are whack but I can't say I blame them for supporting Trump. They just got everything else all wrong.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:53 pm to CFFreak
quote:Such as?
I think Evangelicals are whack but I can't say I blame them for supporting Trump. They just got everything else all wrong.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:56 pm to BamaTide1958
Let me make my position clear. ALL fundamentalist and literalist religion is stupid and dangerous to freedom loving people. I do not care if you are a white Christian republican or a black Christian democrat or Jewish or Muslim.
Thinking that all the wisdom and teaching of grandpa god are in one little book written by men thousands of years ago is dumb. You have every right to be dumb and I have the right to not be dumb.
Thankfully the fundamentalists cannot agree with each other 1/4 of the time so their political influence is fractured.
Thinking that all the wisdom and teaching of grandpa god are in one little book written by men thousands of years ago is dumb. You have every right to be dumb and I have the right to not be dumb.
Thankfully the fundamentalists cannot agree with each other 1/4 of the time so their political influence is fractured.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:59 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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So you honestly believe that evangelical Christians are more dangerous than the modern day liberals?
I did not say liberal. I called them libtards. There are few liberals any longer.
Literal belief in the bible is not just right wing. Black Christians vote for the democrats.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:01 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:I disagree. Not that parents should abdicate their responsibility to teach their children to the state, but that the state has its authority ultimately from Christ, the King of kings, and it is accountable to Him for how it leads and teaches others.
In a democratic republic, this seems like a fair perspective to me. Does anyone disagree with this man
quote:Exactly, there is no neutrality.
As long as the schools are theoretically neutral there's no problem. Uh oh. I just remembered there's no such thing as neutrality of worldviews. Herein lies the problem. Dammit!
The state is making moral judgements all the time and teaching those to kids. When they say harming the environment is wrong, that's a moral judgement. When they say bullying is wrong, that's a moral judgement. When they say kids should be tolerant of homosexuality, transgenderism, rampant sexual promiscuity, and the like, they are teaching moral lessons.
The question we should be asking is what standard are they using to make those moral statements if they have removed God from the picture? I believe the answer is atheistic secular humanism, and I don't believe that is a "neutral" worldview, as you stated.
All of life is a competition of worldviews. I believe the Christian worldview is the only rational and consistent one to use, and therefore removing it from our schools only opens up opportunities to indoctrinate children in arbitrary and irrational opinions based on a godless way of looking at life.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:02 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:What standard are you using to say that believing the Bible is "dumb" and "stupid"?
Let me make my position clear. ALL fundamentalist and literalist religion is stupid and dangerous to freedom loving people. I do not care if you are a white Christian republican or a black Christian democrat or Jewish or Muslim.
Thinking that all the wisdom and teaching of grandpa god are in one little book written by men thousands of years ago is dumb. You have every right to be dumb and I have the right to not be dumb.
Thankfully the fundamentalists cannot agree with each other 1/4 of the time so their political influence is fractured.
There have been a lot of brilliant thinkers in our history that were Christians who believed in the reliability and authority of God's word.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:02 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:I am white. I am registered Republican. I am a Christian.
I do not care if you are a white Christian republican or a black Christian democrat or Jewish or Muslim.
I am, according to the fundamentals of the Christian faith, a fundamentalist.
The fundamentals were defined in the early 20th century by J. Gresham Machen (among others) as believing in the following:
1) the inerrancy of the Bible
2) the virgin birth of Christ
3) the vicarious substitutionary atonement of Christ to satisfy divine justice
4) the physical resurrection of Christ
5) the miracles of our Lord, as “essential doctrines of the Word of God.”
Why then, based on these fundamentals of what makes a fundamentalist a fundamentalist do I threaten freedom loving people?
I am a freedom loving person myself. In fact, I, because I am a Christian, am willing sacrifice some of my freedoms for others to have a better life.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:07 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:Your problem is this: The "West" than you enjoy is a descendant of the thinking you reject.
Thinking that all the wisdom and teaching of grandpa god are in one little book written by men thousands of years ago is dumb. You have every right to be dumb and I have the right to not be dumb.
The alternative is a world based on the other worldview. Materialistic atheism. And it has always provided a quick descent into chaos (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.). Nothing else.
So you just keep hating on the Judeo Christian worldview that you actually love so much.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:14 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:You wouldn't know this, but younger Christians are fundamental as I've described above (5 points) while rejecting the party alignment and anemic cultural Christianity of their parents and grandparents (who fit your distorted definition of fundamentalists).
Thankfully the fundamentalists cannot agree with each other 1/4 of the time so their political influence is fractured.
It's just speculation, but it would make perfect sense to see more unification in Christianity as the 20-30 somethings get older. I think we're mostly committed to getting Christianity right than wanting Christianity to fit what is wrong (see racism). The Boomers are convenient "Christians". I call that Christianity"ism." The older generation is also a theological mess. No unity as you've mentioned. Younger people have better resources, and a necessary desire, to rid themselves of bad theology. What's bad theology?
1) health and wealth (prosperity gospel)
2) Americanized gospel where individuality and personal liberty matters more than the actual teachings of Christ.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:15 pm to FooManChoo
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What standard are you using to say that believing the Bible is "dumb" and "stupid"?
There have been a lot of brilliant thinkers in our history that were Christians who believed in the reliability and authority of God's word.
Literal belief in the bible is stupid. I did not say being Christian is stupid. Can't you people read?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:18 pm to BamaTide1958
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Let me make my position clear. ALL fundamentalist and literalist religion is stupid and dangerous to freedom loving people. I do not care if you are a white Christian republican or a black Christian democrat or Jewish or Muslim.
To be fair to this, many Christians today are very focused on the rules aspect of Christianity, which I feel creates a lot of conflict with non-believers, as we see many legal terms used in Scripture, i.e. witness, testimony, the law, things that bind, legal documents such as title deeds in sealed scrolls, usage of "shall" etc. Yet the law is God's standard for Himself (how Holy He is) that we cannot possibly keep without His help, and is a reason Jesus came in the flesh (as in Adam) to become kin with us, so that his sacrifice came used to cleanse us for things that we cannot do on our own.
Jesus has already won the battle and is the King, the Lion of Judah, yet another roaring lion, the father of lies continues to deceive many, it is no wonder he is called the prince of the power of the air in Ephesians 2:2 (prince of the power of the airwaves perhaps).
So, while the prosecuting attorney, Satan, continues to accuse, Jesus intercedes for us, and it is through His sacrifice and blood we are bought. So even though we are guilty by the law, through legal matters of God, Jesus is King, and it that relationship with Him that provides us a way.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:19 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:I have a literal belief in the Bible. I believe it is literally the word of God as given by His mouthpieces. It provides literal history, as well. Not every word is to be taken literally (Jesus is not a literal door/gate) but what is literal and what is figurative is based on context, not our personal beliefs.
Literal belief in the bible is stupid. I did not say being Christian is stupid. Can't you people read?
But all that aside, my question was more about your standard for judging it as "dumb" and "stupid". What is your standard for saying that, whatever you meant?
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:23 pm to BamaTide1958
quote:Are you aware that taking the Bible literally, means:
Literal belief in the bible is stupid. I did not say being Christian is stupid. Can't you people read?
**Accounting for literary genre, historical context, original audience, and modern application**
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:25 pm to Homesick Tiger
Thank ya, thank ya! People don't respect the name of the Lord.
Passed through Greenbrier several times on my way to hunt some Turkeys. Nice part of Arkansas.
Passed through Greenbrier several times on my way to hunt some Turkeys. Nice part of Arkansas.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:27 pm to BamaTide1958
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Thinking that all the wisdom and teaching of grandpa god are in one little book written by men thousands of years ago is dumb. You have every right to be dumb and I have the right to not be dumb.
That's why there are philosophers, thinkers, writers throughout the years who help illuminate certain ideas and trends for us.
St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, St. Benedict, Chesterton, Lewis, Aristotle, Descartes, John Milton, etc.
There are an endless amount of ways to understand the one book if having a single book is something you consider myopic.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:27 pm to civilag08
quote:Missing the entire gospel might mean that you're not actually a Christian.
To be fair to this, many Christians today are very focused on the rules aspect of Christianity
You're just one of the many people (often labeled "fundamentalists" or "evangelicals") who make the Household of God look bad.
I'm not talking to you directly. Just commenting on your comments. You clearly understand the gospel.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:29 pm to BamaTide1958
We are not the most moral country on earth. We have much more violent crime and murder than Japan, South Korea or agnostic Europe. Many of our most violent cities and states are in the bible belt. Look it up the states with the highest murder rates are Louisiana-Alabama-Mississippi.
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Many bible belt states have higher than average divorce rates.
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Kentucky-Tennessee-Florida-Alabama have the highest divorce rates in the country.
Which states have the highest poverty rates?
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Mississippi-New Mexico-Louisiana-West Virginia-Arkansas-Kentucky-Alabama.
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Many bible belt states have higher than average divorce rates.
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Kentucky-Tennessee-Florida-Alabama have the highest divorce rates in the country.
Which states have the highest poverty rates?
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Mississippi-New Mexico-Louisiana-West Virginia-Arkansas-Kentucky-Alabama.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:30 pm to Freauxzen
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St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, St. Benedict, Chesterton, Lewis, Aristotle, Descartes, John Milton, etc.
Found the Roman Catholic!
Aquinas actually badly distorted Aristotle's views to agree with the Fourth Lateran Council's version of transubstantiation. But that's ok. God saves.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 1:33 pm to bayoubengals88
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Found the Roman Catholic!
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Aquinas actually badly distorted Aristotle's views to agree with the Fourth Lateran Council's version of transubstantiation. But that's ok. God saves.
I wouldn't disagree. Not everything that everyone above is 100% correct. But understanding the conversation and finding your way through it...that can lead to whatever you need to find your way to God.
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