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re: Serious questions about the "millions of us already had/recovered from this" theory
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:41 pm to Toddy
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:41 pm to Toddy
This past November I got hammered with something, really thought it was the flu, my throat was awful, coughing like crazy, runny nose and a 103 degree fever. I thought for sure it was the flu went to the doc and tested negative for Flu and Strep. They gave me some antibiotics that didn’t help, severe symptoms lasted 7 days or so, it was 2 weeks before I was completely better. Then it hit my wife and our 2 older kids.
Doc had no idea what it was, not saying it was this but I could definitely see it.
Doc had no idea what it was, not saying it was this but I could definitely see it.
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Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:43 pm to RTM4
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We were getting slammed in ER. I could barely keep up with the flu and strep kits as we were going through them so fast.
Did you need to ask Tesla to make more ventilators for you? If not, it was not Covid-19.
Any lung CT scans that had a "ground glass" appearance? If not, it was not Covid-19.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:43 pm to Muleriderhog
We all seem to have had a mystery illness that couldn’t be identified with varying degrees of symptoms due to age, immune system, etc. There are people who will say there’s no way us millions had covid
Posted on 3/22/20 at 4:45 pm to cajunangelle
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how many died from 'the flu' and it was this?
yep. i was just telling my wife that if the annual flu numbers were consistent, then we'd be able to tell a little bit re: this.
Also, I still haven't heard many theories on the two strains. We could've gotten hit with the S-type early, and now the L-type is here.
I have heard having either type inoculates you against both strains (not sure if true). So, antibody testing will be huge once available and widespread.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 5:32 pm to LakeCharles
What a smart arse comment.
No we didn't have Tesla make us masks.
No CT scans were done in our ER unless we were looking for PE's and such. Pneumonia is pneumonia and you can see it on x-ray. ER doctors were also wondering about why the Chinese were running everyone under CT... best bet is they were using anything they had to get as many people as possible.
As for running out of PPE you do know that we have to dispose it between patients right?
My lab PPE is not permitted outside of my room so when I have to piss or shite, eat or go get samples I am legally required to doff my gear and dispose, wash my hands thoroughly, interact with nurse or doctor, if needed go into a patient room, get specimens with all new PPE.
Leave room, rinse and repeat, hundreds of times a day.
You sir can take this information for what it is worth but I am sure that you have a better way to do it.
So do I but we would get sued for exposure protocols. Here nor there.
No we didn't have Tesla make us masks.
No CT scans were done in our ER unless we were looking for PE's and such. Pneumonia is pneumonia and you can see it on x-ray. ER doctors were also wondering about why the Chinese were running everyone under CT... best bet is they were using anything they had to get as many people as possible.
As for running out of PPE you do know that we have to dispose it between patients right?
My lab PPE is not permitted outside of my room so when I have to piss or shite, eat or go get samples I am legally required to doff my gear and dispose, wash my hands thoroughly, interact with nurse or doctor, if needed go into a patient room, get specimens with all new PPE.
Leave room, rinse and repeat, hundreds of times a day.
You sir can take this information for what it is worth but I am sure that you have a better way to do it.
So do I but we would get sued for exposure protocols. Here nor there.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:27 pm to RTM4
I was not trying to be a smart arse, but the information is pretty clear at this point that a fairly large percentage of the people that get this will need breathing assistance. Either O2, a respirator, or for some a ventilator. In Italy, they are doing triage at the ER door to determine who needs help and if they will be able to help. They have all their ventilators tied up with other patients. They are literally sending people home to die. Information from China says that a patient will be on a ventilator for between 1 and 2 weeks. That is the reason that Tesla, Ford, and GM were asked to build ventilators. It is expected we do not have enough to support the upcoming needs. If many had Covid-19 earlier in the US, it would be very clear at this point.
CT scans of a person with Covid-19 are apparently pretty unique and not easily mistaken for pneumonia or something else. One of the issues being seen in China is lung scarring that is permanent in many of the people that recover.
CT scans of a person with Covid-19 are apparently pretty unique and not easily mistaken for pneumonia or something else. One of the issues being seen in China is lung scarring that is permanent in many of the people that recover.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:28 pm to Govt Tide
quote:pics?
girlfriend's daughter
Posted on 3/22/20 at 7:35 pm to Govt Tide
Im in the same boat. Basically from Xmas to the end of February I was sick. An array of symptoms on and off.
Fever, chills, swollen glands, dry cough were common place on and off. I remember a for few days after Xmas (and on Xmas) I felt awful...had all these types of symptoms..
I strongly suspect I was a carrier of this virus. If I was feeling like this now I would 100% go get tested.
Fever, chills, swollen glands, dry cough were common place on and off. I remember a for few days after Xmas (and on Xmas) I felt awful...had all these types of symptoms..
I strongly suspect I was a carrier of this virus. If I was feeling like this now I would 100% go get tested.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:18 pm to LakeCharles
Say what? Large percentage need breathing assistance?
No, a large percentage have minor symptoms that do not require hospitalization. I bet it is more than 90% that test positive right now are not hospitalized.
This is why we are having this discussion in this thread, it is a serious virus to some but a nuisance to everyone else.
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I haven't seen it, or any near by hospitals. Maybe in New York or Washington State. Could change and I hope to God it doesn't.
No, a large percentage have minor symptoms that do not require hospitalization. I bet it is more than 90% that test positive right now are not hospitalized.
This is why we are having this discussion in this thread, it is a serious virus to some but a nuisance to everyone else.
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but the information is pretty clear at this point that a fairly large percentage of the people that get this will need breathing assistance. Either O2, a respirator, or for some a ventilator.
I haven't seen it, or any near by hospitals. Maybe in New York or Washington State. Could change and I hope to God it doesn't.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:34 pm to LakeCharles
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was not trying to be a smart arse, but the information is pretty clear at this point that a fairly large percentage of the people that get this will need breathing assistance. Either O2, a respirator, or for some a ventilator. In Italy, they are doing triage at the ER door to determine who needs help and if they will be able to help. T
Find a better source of information, hospitalization is being required in less than 10% of those that test positive, factor in the large number of people that have likely been infected, and recovered without being tested, or seeking medical intervention, and the percentage of hospitalizations declines dramatically.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:53 pm to Govt Tide
I work in pharmacy and have been coughed on for 25 years. I got sick about a month ago with symptoms of flu or cold. Have a kid that was going back and forth to Seattle and another in college who both visited sick. Did I have it? No clue. I get sick every couple years so I don't go see a Dr. ever unless a limb gets lopped off or something.
One major thing that bugs me with testing, is that there are two ways to test for an illness to a specific pathogen. You can do a PCR of similar to test for current viral circulation. You can also test for antibodies to a particular pathogen which determines whether you have been exposed in the past. Many HIV patients, for instance, may have dormant or low level viral load and essentially be negative for HIV, but test positive for the antibodies to HIV, assuring they have been exposed.
An antibody test would go along way, at least for me, in showing whether people who thought they had the flu (and were neg) actually had covid. Typically testing for presence of the actual virus in the body has a pretty short window as you recover from the pathogen. We could learn alot testing folks (with an antibody, not viral test) that have been sick in the past few months to see if they had been exposed.
One major thing that bugs me with testing, is that there are two ways to test for an illness to a specific pathogen. You can do a PCR of similar to test for current viral circulation. You can also test for antibodies to a particular pathogen which determines whether you have been exposed in the past. Many HIV patients, for instance, may have dormant or low level viral load and essentially be negative for HIV, but test positive for the antibodies to HIV, assuring they have been exposed.
An antibody test would go along way, at least for me, in showing whether people who thought they had the flu (and were neg) actually had covid. Typically testing for presence of the actual virus in the body has a pretty short window as you recover from the pathogen. We could learn alot testing folks (with an antibody, not viral test) that have been sick in the past few months to see if they had been exposed.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 8:56 pm to Govt Tide
Young guy I work with was out 2 weeks from work over a month ago.
1) Had 103 degree fever
2) Hospitalized for a week
3) Doctors said his immune system was down to 30%
He was already all the other co-workers and coughing on them.
Then a week later Covid became a big story in the US...we all just thought he had the flu.
1) Had 103 degree fever
2) Hospitalized for a week
3) Doctors said his immune system was down to 30%
He was already all the other co-workers and coughing on them.
Then a week later Covid became a big story in the US...we all just thought he had the flu.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:04 pm to thetempleowl
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As has been said before the exponential rate of growth in testing points towards this.
FIFY
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:32 pm to EA6B
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hospitalization is being required in less than 10%
My sources are fine. Maybe I did not word it well. 5% to 10% is a large percentage. Cold and flu are essentially 0, and complications from the flu (pneumonia) are maybe a couple of percent. All I am saying is that Covid-19 has not swept the nation already - there would be no one wondering if it had because it will be very apparent. The people that need medical care typically need breathing assistance. Yes, the vast majority handle it well and may not even know that they had the virus. But from a health care standpoint, it is really rough once the virus hits an area because so many do need help.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:37 pm to rphtx
Good to see you back. Antibody testing would prove a ton.
Remember West Nile virus? That was the media dejure years ago and caused panic. Was it bad? Well if you got it and I know someone who did get it bad and was forced to retirement.
Thing is once we started testing everyone we had nothing but positives. IGG positives, meaning you were exposed at some point in your life and probably not recently. Most had IGG and some with both IGG and IGM meaning maybe a recent exposure. Once that panic was over no one tested for it any longer, everyone was positive.
Treat the illness and symptoms. Done.
Remember West Nile virus? That was the media dejure years ago and caused panic. Was it bad? Well if you got it and I know someone who did get it bad and was forced to retirement.
Thing is once we started testing everyone we had nothing but positives. IGG positives, meaning you were exposed at some point in your life and probably not recently. Most had IGG and some with both IGG and IGM meaning maybe a recent exposure. Once that panic was over no one tested for it any longer, everyone was positive.
Treat the illness and symptoms. Done.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:41 pm to Govt Tide
It’s the truth. This pandemic is a joke. This has been here already.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:41 pm to LakeCharles
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5% to 10% is a large percentage. Cold and flu are essentially 0, and complications from the flu (pneumonia) are maybe a couple of percent. All I am saying is that Covid-19 has not swept the n
That's 5-10% of tested people. Only the sickest of the sick were being tested. We got tests 4 weeks ago and didn't have a single person meet the criteria we were given. Now you can test damn near anyone you want. Guess what's gonna happen...cases will go way up and hospitalization and death rate will go way down.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:42 pm to dsides
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You probably had a cold (which I think is also a Coronavirus)
If he had something in January or February wouldn't they need a PCR assay to determine if he had antibodies for the covid19?
If he had recovered certainly the nasal swab test on him would be worthless.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:50 pm to tonydtigr
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If all of us that had this mystery crud flooding Dr's offices in December, January, and February were tested for the Wuhan virus back then, then this artificial "spike" that is resulting from the very recent start of testing would not be a spike and would be more of a flat curve.
I think this is only true if testing capacity all came online at the same time. Maybe it's a spike in testing we're seeing, not a spike in incidence of the virus.
Posted on 3/22/20 at 9:53 pm to David_DJS
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Maybe it's a spike in testing we're seeing, not a spike in incidence of the virus.
Deaths are trending right in line with new cases. Now testing is trending way up. But new cases are likely actual new cases or deaths would be trending a little more independently of the new cases. I think.
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