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Serious questions about the "millions of us already had/recovered from this" theory

Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9114 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:56 pm
My girlfriend's daughter is a nurse in Baldwin County, AL and is convinced that Covid-19 has been with us since at least last December. She said that they have seen and know of countless people in the Mobile/Baldwin area that had flu like symptoms with unusually dry unproductive heavy smoker type coughs that lasted for many days after they recovered and the vast majority of these cases tested negative for the flu. She said that they had a handful of hospitalizations back then with people complaining of these weird "flu like" symptoms but from people testing negative for the flu and the doctors describing it as "a new strain of virus going around this season"

I (mid 40s) had what I thought was the flu back in early December and again in early February that at the very beginning started with the typical raw sore throat that quickly subsided. It then had a fever, was very tired, had a bloated "tight" feeling in both lower and upper chest with mild chest tightness, minor to mild shortness of breathe, minor aches, some sneezing, very forceful and relentless dry cough to the point of throwing up on occasion but with nothing to throw up, some nasal drainage, but I never got to the point I usually do with the many colds I've had in the past where I would typically start hocking up big loogies at some point. Had these symptoms both times. Had a short episode once during both "colds" where I woke up with my heart racing for a couple of minutes before subsiding. I even had some mild wheezing which I've never experienced previously during the last time in early February. The most unusual symptom both in early December and again in early February was that after the 4 or 5 days of flu like symptoms were gone and I felt much better and went back to work I still had a annoying dry cough with no other symptoms that persisted from early December all the way until mid February about 2 weeks after my second "cold" ended in early February.

There were at least a handful of people where my girlfriend's daughter works that were going to the hospital as a precaution due to the forceful dry unproductive cough and occasional asthma like shortness of breathe even back in December and January. Because there was no Covid test at the time and these people were all testing negative for the flu almost all the people coming in were given steroid shots and a Z-pack and told to rest and recover at home which they did.

What is the medical world's opinion on the thousands and more likely millions of Americans who had these unusual symptoms I had dating back to December and even early February with regards to coronavirus? Is it possible all the people back in Dec and Jan who had these symptoms couldn't have been from Covid or do the experts know for sure it's only been in the U.S. since mid January at the absolute earliest?
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16420 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 12:57 pm to
Media didn’t report this, can’t be true.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146953 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:00 pm to
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What is the medical world's opinion on the thousands and more likely millions of Americans who had these unusual symptoms I had dating back to December and even early February with regards to coronavirus?
Excellent question. As well as, I got the flu shot vs. not getting it.

Also: I recall over the winter if you were over a certain age you got the 'senior' version of the flu shot. Which was to be stronger (better)
Posted by Number 9 Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2020
681 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:03 pm to
Was there an inordinate amount of folks, especially the elderly flocking to the hospitals or dying?
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted by white perch
the bright, happy side of hell
Member since Apr 2012
7137 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:13 pm to
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girlfriend's daughter is a nurse


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girlfriend's


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daughter


Pics (she’s a nurse so she must be legal)

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nurse


Prolly already saw the pics on the scrubs gone wild thread
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:15 pm to
I would think that its absence from nursing homes until January in Washington would argue against that. Same for cruises. And conventions.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
146953 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:16 pm to
how many died from 'the flu' and it was this?

Posted by Boatshoes
Member since Dec 2017
6775 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:18 pm to
Think about this for a minute.

If millions of us "already had this and recovered", the graph of new cases discovered would look like what?

And as testing was ramped up even further it would look like what?

...what does it actually look like?
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5370 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:18 pm to
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ber and even early February with regards to coronavirus? Is it possible all the people back in Dec and Jan who had these symptoms couldn't have been from Covid or do the experts know for sure it's only been in the U.S. since mid January at the absolute earliest?


Early reports out of New York’s testing show that over 90% of the people tested that thought they had it tested negative. Part of the problem with testing and lack of supplies is the strain on the system based on mitigation initiatives. Too many resources allocated to testing people that don’t have it.

You probably had a cold (which I think is also a Coronavirus)
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9611 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:20 pm to
I don't believe that to be the case. I went back to Missouri for Christmas and it was passed around my family, including my dad. He is 77 years old and is on daily chemo maintenance medication. He felt sick for a few weeks but I'm convinced if it was the Chinese flu, he would have been laid up in the hospital.
Posted by Govt Tide
Member since Nov 2009
9114 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:23 pm to
FTR, I'm not saying I definitely had CV because without a test there was no way to be sure but I've never had a couple of the weird symptoms I ever had with previous colds.

My girlfriend's grandson who given how super contagious the virus is could have gotten it from me (or vice versa) and he had very similar symptoms in January. Despite a few different negative tests for the flu the doctors couldn't tell her what he had. The doctors finally concluded he probably had a sinus infection except for the fact he couldn't cough up anything. He (my girlfriend's grandson) was perfectly fine after about a week or so btw but up until then she was frustrated with the fact doctor's didn't seem to have a clue what was wrong with him.

Unfortunately, there's no way for doctors to go back and test the hundreds of thousands of swabs from negative flu tests from back in December, January, and February.

IF most of those negative flu tests were actually CV positives then there are likely hundreds of thousands if not millions of recovered people nationwide who have already had CV which would have huge implications regarding the recovery as well as the mortality rate of the virus.
Posted by Number 9 Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2020
681 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:23 pm to
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how many died from 'the flu' and it was this?


Don’t they test for flu?
Even if they didn’t was there an inordinate number checking in to hospitals or dying aka Italy or China? That would be a tell.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6497 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:23 pm to
Its called COVID 19 as in it was around in 2019.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
14834 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:25 pm to
As has been said before the exponential rate of growth points against this.

Also if this was here since December, we would have more people infected them and this the rate of spread would be blunted.

I think we can say that is not true.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:25 pm to
I’ve posted ad nauseam on here so I’ll abbreviate it. I had a non-flu respiratory-only illness in mid-January unlike anything I’ve ever had before and I’m 54. So did a co-worker and he’s 56. It took him 6 weeks to clear it out and I still am clearing out my chest.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted by RTM4
Pflugerville
Member since Apr 2018
1515 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:26 pm to
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Was there an inordinate amount of folks, especially the elderly flocking to the hospitals or dying?




Well kind of..... I work in an ER laboratory and before this outbreak was confirmed we were admitting maybe 6 people a week for sepsis protocol and or pneumonia. This is very high for us as usually only maybe 1 or 2 a week.

Hundreds of flu and streps negative this year before the confirmed outbreak, all with similar symptoms. Nothing on respiratory panels we sent out except for some common colds occasionally. It was just very weird.
We did have a huge outbreak in November and December of flu B, then flipped to A around Christmas but still a lot of negatives.

Last years flu season 90% of testing was positive for A and this year I have never seen as many negative tests for these same flu like symptoms.

Take it for what it is worth. Some could be blamed on how the specimen is collected and how early people are coming in to get tested. You can have symptoms and have the flu but come in so fast the test cannot pick it up.

Trust me, I just spiked a fever an hour ago and now I rush to ER is so normal it is insane.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9426 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:27 pm to
I had the flu the last 2 weeks in January and landed in the ER for ddehydraition. Tested negative but the doctor just blew it off and said 25% of people are testing negative for the flu this year even though it's clear they have the flu. I definitely had the China Virus.
This post was edited on 3/22/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123945 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:27 pm to
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I (mid 40s) had what I thought was the flu back in early December and again in early February that at the very beginning started with the typical raw sore throat that quickly subsided. It then had a fever, was very tired, had a bloated "tight" feeling in both lower and upper chest with mild chest tightness, minor to mild shortness of breathe, minor aches, some sneezing, very forceful and relentless dry cough to the point of throwing up on occasion but with nothing to throw up, some nasal drainage, but I never got to the point I usually do with the many colds I've had in the past where I would typically start hocking up big loogies at some point. Had these symptoms both times.
"Both times" indicates two different bugs. Tis the season.

Similar presentation, prodromes, and symptoms for various viral infections is one of the challenges in CV19 diagnosis. Another is any source of fever, combined with pollen-related allergy.

I've heard many accounts of early season URI's imitating CV19. IMO imitation is the key word. Just as your 2 illnesses seemed similar, but would have been caused by different viruses.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6497 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:27 pm to
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Think about this for a minute.

If millions of us "already had this and recovered", the graph of new cases discovered would look like what?

And as testing was ramped up even further it would look like what?

...what does it actually look like?


The graph would look exactly like it does. Because testing effort is the rate limiting step in “discovering new cases”.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3000 posts
Posted on 3/22/20 at 1:29 pm to
i'm of the opinion my wife, son and I had it in mid december. I woke up one morning feeling as if a bag of sand had been poured down my throat.. Felt way off. Ran fever and hacked my lungs out for 5 days. I never went to the doctor and treated myself with over the counter meds.
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