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re: Sentenced to Life for an Accident Miles Away
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:50 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:50 am to 4cubbies
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I’m talking about his conviction of felony murder.
Do you think the DA perhaps doesn't push the felony murder charge had this guy chose not to be scum previously? Should we give a guy who has a long record, (including armed F'ing robbery) and has shown no signs of stopping, the benefit of the doubt or should we seek to remove them from society based on what the law allows?
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He wasn’t armed when he was arrested for pulling on door handles.
Oh man...that makes his intentions so much better.
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:50 am to stout
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mean we can speculate all sort of "what ifs" but that doesn't negate the facts.
The only fact is that he didn’t run which caused the accident.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:51 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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So what was your point of posting this with no commentary or opinion?
The vast majority of people have serious misconceptions about our criminal Justice system. Highlighting absurdities is the only way anything could possibly change.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:52 am to oogabooga68
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Like your hero AgiHanktimonius, you SUCK at trying to think outside the box.
You are comparing apples to mufflers.
So I take that as a "I don't want to because it will make me look bad!" temper tantrum response
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:52 am to 4cubbies
I’ve read many cases on felony murder, but that has to be the broadest application on the books. wow
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:53 am to Powerman
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The point is he didn't kill anyone
His actions set of events that led to someone dying and you can't argue otherwise. Agree?
Under the law a felony murder charge is justified. Agree?
I will ask you the same thing I just asked 4cubbies. Do you think he perhaps would have gotten the benefit of the doubt from the DA had he not been a violent career criminal?
Do you not agree that previous crimes should play a role in a prosecutors decisions the same as maybe being a first-time offender should also play a role?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:53 am to 4cubbies
Bet if this thug was white, you wouldn’t give a shite
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:54 am to oogabooga68
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Except they will change their tune
My tune is the same it has been for a long time.
You are the one holding 2 inconsistent positions due to a political crush.
When you rely on logic and principles instead of emotion, the analysis remains easy.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:54 am to Robin Masters
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The only fact is that he didn’t run which caused the accident.
No. What caused the accident was when they started breaking into cars. It is all connected.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:55 am to stout
quote:it doesn’t matter. He didn’t cause anyone’s death. He complied with police orders.
Do you think the DA perhaps doesn't push the felony murder charge had this guy chose not to be scum previously?
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Should we give a guy who has a long record, (including armed F'ing robbery) and has shown no signs of stopping, the benefit of the doubt or should we seek to remove them from society based on what the law allows?
Charge him with the crimes committed. We don’t need to invent unreasonable statutes to punish people for crimes they didn’t commit. That’s giving way too much discretion to the State.
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Oh man...that makes his intentions so much better.
Are we charging people based on what someone thinks he would have done in an alternative universe, or what he actually did? He stole from cars and was arrested. He should be charged for the crime he committed.
It’s scary how much faith you have in the government.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:56 am to Robin Masters
quote:I agree that it's not unreasonable to think if he stayed home that his friend would have still committed his crimes and caused the accident.
Wasn’t it the friend who ran. It’s not unreasonable to think if he stayed home the friend would have still broken into the cars, got caught, ran and caused the accident.
If that had been the case, then he would not even be involved in the discussion of this crime.
However, he CHOSE to participate in the commission of the criminal activity that eventually led to the deaths of the INNOCENT cyclists. Therefore, he was a willing participant in the actions that led to the fatal results.
KNOWING that you may be held responsible for ANY crimes committed as a result of your intentional decision to commit a crime might be considered to be enough of a deterrent to avoid committing such crimes.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:56 am to 4cubbies
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Willie, you aren’t reading an academic paper. Journalism is story telling. It’s easy to separate the stories from the law and sentencing.
Yeah, I get it. You may have more endurance to push through all the crap than I do.
I’m turned off by the journalistic strategies that stand out as tools of propaganda.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:56 am to stout
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His actions set of events that led to someone dying and you can't argue otherwise. Agree?
At a certain point, the association has to subside.
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Under the law a felony murder charge is justified. Agree?
It's a stretch. There's a lot of attenuation between his role in the felonies and the death, and lots of interceding gross negligence by third parties (LEO).
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:56 am to stout
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What caused the accident was when they started breaking into cars. It is all connected.
That’s not true. The cyclists would be alive if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:57 am to VOR
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I’ve read many cases on felony murder, but that has to be the broadest application on the books. wow
Keep in mind that just because the DA chose to pursue this 12 jurors still had to find him guilty and they did.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:59 am to Willie Stroker
quote:I love to read and am almost always interested in other people’s experiences. I wish you would have preserved because there are other factual paragraphs about felony murder that don’t pull in the reader with story telling.
You may have more endurance to push through all the crap than I do.
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I’m turned off by the journalistic strategies that stand out as tools of propaganda.
Propaganda? That’s a stretch.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 8:59 am to stout
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Keep in mind that just because the DA chose to pursue this 12 jurors still had to find him guilty and they did.
Again, I hope this standard remains with Trump's various prosecutions
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:00 am to 4cubbies
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The cyclists would be alive if the accomplice wouldn’t have ran.
Accomplice, i.e., "partner", i.e. "cohort", i.e. someone who was partly responsible for the events of that day.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:00 am to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
These people with mile long rapsheets are irredeemable and will never, ever make a positive contribution to society. Someone who habitually wakes up and decides to go steal other people's stuff for no reason has no place in a civilized society. Why are you such an advocate for career criminals?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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At a certain point, the association has to subside.
I get that but in this case, when do you think that would be fair? The chase and crash happened within minutes of the crime. By that standard, the crime was still ongoing.
Now had the other participant evaded cops initially only to be found later that day and the chase happened then I agree Baxter shouldn't be charged but that's not what happened.
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