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re: Sen. Murphy: A small list of GOP Senators considering Impeachment/secret ballot push

Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:20 am to
Posted by kmdawg17
'Murica
Member since Sep 2015
1707 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:20 am to
You wanna see the SHTF?

Let them do just that.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103137 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:20 am to
Except that Turtle can do things like fill the amendment tree to prevent that from being added or even prevent it from ever coming up for a vote.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52354 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:20 am to
They must want the Capitol burned to the ground.


Because it sounds like they want the Capitol burned to the ground.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23384 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:21 am to
There is no good argument to have a secret ballot. Constituents should know how their representatives vote on issues and especially on the impeachment of an elected official.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30543 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:22 am to
quote:

it sounds like they want


to be hung on the national mall...

frick burning a public building down... ETA: unless they hole up inside and its the most efficient way to root their asses out, so they can be hung...
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:24 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35102 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:24 am to
Key word...."considering"

I don't think it's unusual that a Republican Senator would say to this guy "Sure, I'll consider it....that's my duty. Consider the evidence then make my conclusion."

Isn't that what's supposed to happen, technically? The referenced Senators will undoubtedly find the evidence to be woefully deficient and upon that consideration vote in the negative.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
154207 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:24 am to
quote:

There is no good argument to have a secret ballot.
I'm not asking if it's good or bad

I want to see claims that it's even permitted by the Constitution
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12807 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:24 am to
This is BS. Not a single R senator will vote to convict. Not a one. Had the Dems used a different process in the House, and been more fair and above board there might have been a chance of picking up some R votes. Instead, they chose the hyper partisan approach, so they now have no chance. A vote to convict by a R is not only political suicide, it is a futile gesture since there will be no conviction anyway. There is a better chance of some Dems voting to acquit.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35924 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:25 am to
Sasse has to know it would be his funeral politically. He would be replaced by a Republican anyway
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162831 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:32 am to
quote:

This is BS. Not a single R senator will vote to convict. Not a one. Had the Dems used a different process in the House, and been more fair and above board there might have been a chance of picking up some R votes. Instead, they chose the hyper partisan approach, so they now have no chance. A vote to convict by a R is not only political suicide, it is a futile gesture since there will be no conviction anyway. There is a better chance of some Dems voting to acquit.
I kindly disagree. Romney and Turtle care more about their backdoor deals. Romney owns Utah politics he isn't worried but you can bet he and Turtle have a deal readied.

They don't GAF about optics of unfairness. This is all about deals to force Trump's hand in policy. Then they are hoping people will get pissed if Trump backs down on policies.

I updated the OP. I apologize for not including the article I added in the first place.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87570 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:34 am to
They wouldn’t even get all of the Democrats. Joe Manchin would cancel Mitt out.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103137 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:34 am to
Romney has to get on the ballot first.

He can ask Bob Bennett how it feels to be the sitting senator and not even make it to the primary in Utah.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:35 am to
Democrats lie

Occam’s razor
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20484 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:38 am to
quote:

The Governors get to appoint senators and representatives on an interim basis if a congressman resigns.


Senators only and that's if the state chooses that option (they can also choose to hold an election). In the House there has to be an election.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
101114 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:38 am to
This is bullshite misinformation that Murphy is spreading through friendly outfits.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:39 am
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6733 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:39 am to
quote:

I have a feeling that quite a few congressmen will be resigning when more and more investigations come to light.
The republicans had 20+ congressman decline to run in 2020....the drain the swamp movement is going to catch both Dem and Reps. The Reps, as usual, generally resign when faced with incrimination, unlike the Dems which tend to wear it with a badge of honor.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162831 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:40 am to
quote:

I'm not asking if it's good or bad

I want to see claims that it's even permitted by the Constitution
Like that stopped any of them before, especially when their gravy train is in doubt.

Evidence that anything goes in back door dealings in DC is that-- Turtle knew this plan with Pelosi over a month ago. (He could have easily announced a hard stop ages ago) He didn't, he toyed and said 'just enough' to appear like he is on the side of fairness.

More evidence that none of them really care is: we have a sitting President with the albatross of the "I" word around his neck with no set crime in precedence.

The case is weak and currently partisan because it is an act to reign in Trump... possibly cause him to lose re-election. R's don't care about majority or the gavel. They only cared about Kav because Turtle chose him.

Read the article I added to the OP.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103137 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:40 am to
They have seen that their side can generally ride out such accusations.

Look at Gerry Studds and Bawney Fwank as examples. Christ, they have an impeached federal judge as one of their senior Congressmen.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35102 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:41 am to
quote:

This is bullshite misinformation that Murphy is spreading through friendly outfits.

He's blatantly lying, or more likely spinning like a top.

I mean, imagine the opposite of his answer, GOP senator saying "No, I won't even consider it." Of course they're not going to put it like that.

**And I do believe the "secret ballot" part is a fabrication.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by MsHoghunter
Member since Oct 2017
2405 posts
Posted on 12/6/19 at 10:42 am to
Why would this have to be done in secret? Juan Williams is claiming 70% of American favor removal.
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