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Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:08 am to jimmy the leg
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jimmy the leg
Not exactly. He is trying to prove his point with the claim that the arrow proved there was no ice there 1,500 years ago.
He's literally saying "if arrow is present then too warm for ice," that is a logical fallacy.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:10 am to Jjdoc
Good heavens, man! I’ve been a global warming skeptic for three decades, but you can’t believe that this contradicts the global warming narrative, can you?
Global warming advocates are not saying that the earth has never been warm before. They are saying that the rate of warming is unnaturally high due to man’s activities.
We don’t know if the alarmists are right about man impacting average temperatures. To claim, authoritatively, that this is false is as foolish as claiming it is true. The theory is actually persuasive. The question is really, If this theory is true how much are we affecting temperatures? This is where I am skeptical. The alarmists have already moved the goalposts a long way - from a 2025 apocalypse, predicted 30 years ago, to a 2100 apocalypse they are hanging their hats on now.
It would not surprise me at all if humans are indeed affecting temperatures. I just don’t think it’s very much. I also believe that the energy transition we are now embarked upon will end up being a 30 year natural gas bridge to a nuclear, hydrogen and solar future. Sanity is gradually being restored, mostly at Europe’s expense.
Global warming advocates are not saying that the earth has never been warm before. They are saying that the rate of warming is unnaturally high due to man’s activities.
We don’t know if the alarmists are right about man impacting average temperatures. To claim, authoritatively, that this is false is as foolish as claiming it is true. The theory is actually persuasive. The question is really, If this theory is true how much are we affecting temperatures? This is where I am skeptical. The alarmists have already moved the goalposts a long way - from a 2025 apocalypse, predicted 30 years ago, to a 2100 apocalypse they are hanging their hats on now.
It would not surprise me at all if humans are indeed affecting temperatures. I just don’t think it’s very much. I also believe that the energy transition we are now embarked upon will end up being a 30 year natural gas bridge to a nuclear, hydrogen and solar future. Sanity is gradually being restored, mostly at Europe’s expense.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:11 am to Jjdoc
quote:So, you're saying the climate is changing. Got it
So.. In order for those items the be uncoverd by melting ice, they had to be there BEFORE there was ice.
Let that sink in...
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:12 am to Penrod
quote:
Good heavens, man! I’ve been a global warming skeptic for three decades, but you can’t believe that this contradicts the global warming narrative, can you?
Not only is he an idiot, he got this from another source and Lacks even rudimentary intelligence to understand how the source is wrong. This may be the platonic ideal of a JJ thread
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:12 am to Jjdoc
Exactly and Greenland was, wait for it...
once green. Shocking.
Vikings enjoyed a green Greenland.
Yet the idiots of today continue to believe the Climate Change nonsense. It's all cyclical.
once green. Shocking.
Vikings enjoyed a green Greenland.
Yet the idiots of today continue to believe the Climate Change nonsense. It's all cyclical.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just because climate changes naturally doesn't negate the potential for humans to influence climate as well.
That depends on the scope you're looking at. Large cities create "urban heat islands" but that's a very finite area. With ~75% of the surface area of the planet covered by water, we would likely have to build cities over at least a full 1/4 to change the climate.
As it is, all of human habitation (everything from Burj Khalifa of Dubia to grass huts used by primitive tribes along the Amazon) covers about 1% of the current landmass.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Just because climate changes naturally doesn't negate the potential for humans to influence climate as well.
All you need is an IQ above 85 to understand this.
And even ignoring climate change there are legitimate reasons to seek cleaner forms of energy. Air quality being an obvious example.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:20 am to Jjdoc
What I find interesting is glaciers.
There are so many examples all over the world of glaciers carving and sculpting the landscape to give us valleys and other formations. Yet nobody points out that those glaciers are GONE AND MELTED AWAY thousands and thousands of years ago.
I wonder how those glaciers melted when men and cars were not around? LOL!!!
There are so many examples all over the world of glaciers carving and sculpting the landscape to give us valleys and other formations. Yet nobody points out that those glaciers are GONE AND MELTED AWAY thousands and thousands of years ago.
I wonder how those glaciers melted when men and cars were not around? LOL!!!
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:22 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
quote:
What I find interesting is glaciers.
There are so many examples all over the world of glaciers carving and sculpting the landscape to give us valleys and other formations. Yet nobody points out that those glaciers are GONE AND MELTED AWAY thousands and thousands of years ago.
I wonder how those glaciers melted when men and cars were not around? LOL!!!
This is only interesting to the most ignorant of the world.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:42 am to texridder
quote:
texridder
Example A in what a theatre degree from a liberal arts college gets you.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:45 am to Jjdoc
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climate change is BULL SH!!!!
Posted on 9/16/22 at 7:58 am to Bard
quote:
He's literally saying "if arrow is present then too warm for ice," that is a logical fallacy.
To me, the condition of the arrow is what is interesting. It had to have fallen into that crevice in the rocks, when it was lost. It was protected from all of the forces that would have destroyed it, the crushing weight of the ice, etc... It seems to me that ice could not have been present at that location when it fell there, but was covered later.
The article explains that it was found under the location of a melted ice pool, which is a part of a glacier that doesn't flow or move.
None of this proves or disproves anything about climate change, but I think it's safe to say that natural warming and cooling of the Earth has always happened.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:05 am to texridder
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You're on the oppsite end of clueless scale from Trump when he would say that global warming
That's you liberal leftist POS go to when you have no ability to actually debate. What's it like going through life with everyone laughing at you?
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:08 am to Penrod
quote:
The alarmists have already moved the goalposts a long way - from a 2025 apocalypse, predicted 30 years ago, to a 2100 apocalypse they are hanging their hats on now.
How old are you? They've already missed several doomsday predictions and they have zero credibility.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Exactly
Just because climate changes naturally doesn't negate the potential for humans to influence climate as well. All you need is an IQ above 85 to understand this.
Does the climate change in millennia long cycles? Of course.
Are there smaller fluctuations within those larger cycles, lasting hundreds of years? Of course.
Did human activity create all of that? Of course not.
Is it possible that human activity influenced it to some extent? Of course.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:13 am to Jjdoc
One of my geology professors said repeatedly that each time it snows that is a reminder that we are still in an Ice Age although it is the tail end of it
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:14 am to Penrod
quote:ding, ding, ding
Global warming advocates are not saying that the earth has never been warm before. They are saying that the rate of warming is unnaturally high due to man’s activities.
We don’t know if the alarmists are right about man impacting average temperatures. To claim, authoritatively, that this is false is as foolish as claiming it is true. The theory is actually persuasive. The question is really, If this theory is true, how much are we affecting temperatures? This is where I am skeptical.
JJDoc has a binary view. Imagine.
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Right down to the upvotes and ditto posts.
This may be the platonic ideal of a JJ thread
Posted on 9/16/22 at 8:18 am to TurkeyBaconLeg
quote:this is right there alongside Herschel Walker wondering why there are still apes on the planet.
There are so many examples all over the world of glaciers carving and sculpting the landscape to give us valleys and other formations. Yet nobody points out that those glaciers are GONE AND MELTED AWAY thousands and thousands of years ago. I wonder how those glaciers melted when men and cars were not around? LOL!!!
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