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re: Saudi Arabia's petro-dollar exit: A global finance paradigm shift

Posted on 6/12/24 at 11:25 pm to
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 6/12/24 at 11:25 pm to
Correct
Posted by ImJustaBoy
Member since Oct 2023
1922 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 3:03 am to
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The dollar endgame begins.

It doesn’t end, we remind those who owns the world
Posted by glassart
Member since Apr 2021
690 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 4:38 am to
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This needs to be filed next to the "china is selling all their US bonds and they own most of our debt".



Filed under what?
“Things that traitors tell the countrymen they betrayed.”
Posted by Stealth Matrix
29°59'55.98"N 90°05'21.85"W
Member since Aug 2019
11679 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:21 am to
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I'm not sure this will work out well for the Saudi's if they do anything that really starts to hurt the U.S. and the dollar.

This won't work out well for the US and a handful of Western countries, but the rest of the world will chug along either without a care for our fate or actively rooting for our self-implosion.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
23980 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 5:54 am to
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Nice! I'm opening an account with Wise so I can convert my dollars wherever I end up, after the debt bomb goes off.


Eventually the debt bomb will in part be solved through confiscatory taxes on accumulated wealth, IRAs etc. We will be given a government stipend in our retirements. There is a lot of money in those retirement accounts.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10057 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:18 am to
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Well done obiden well done.


This is the result of every admin that ran up the debt. Obama and Biden the only ones that fit that description? Wake up.
Posted by texas tortilla
houston
Member since Dec 2015
4570 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:29 am to
LINK you laugh now, but the countries with the largest economies are in order china, usa, india, russia, japan, and germany. people like lindsey graham have been saying that russia's economy was like a gas station with nukes. the west has problems when 3 of the 4 largest economies want to go play in another sandbox. biden forked up when he put those sanctions on russia and stole their reserves.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96851 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:30 am to
What would happen if US based companies opted to begin paying their employees in another currency?
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
37067 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 6:56 am to
I agree it could be dangerous in the short run, however demographics aren't on the side of Russia and China

as far as the Saudi's are concerned...let's see how this plays out!!!
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
22860 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:07 am to
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Confidence in the US Navy protecting shipping lanes is a joke right now.


Soon the Patriot will be in charge!!
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
22860 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:12 am to
Wow, it appears clearly, in that chart, the Federal Reserve did indeed destroy the dollar.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:25 am to
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What’s the latest on the powerful BRICS path forward? LOL


It's getting stronger with more and more countries joining and seeking to join.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37485 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:26 am to
OK, demand payment in yuan.....or ruble which is currently tanking
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4933 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:30 am to
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Saudi is, by far, the single largest oil exporter in the world. By comparison, their oil exports for 2022 were around 1k bbl/day more than the combined amounts of #3 (Iraq) and #4 (US).


US is the largest exporter in the world as of 2023 & 2024. Sorry.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:32 am to
The USA will start taking drastic measures. Expect the CIA to really start targeting BRICS countries now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476439 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:34 am to
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The USA will start taking drastic measures. Expect the CIA to really start targeting BRICS countries now.


Apocalypse fetish:

[ x ] Engaged

[__] Disengaged
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37485 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:35 am to
MbS loves dollars and needs them no matter how he gets them. Give him yuan....he quickly converts to the dollar. He isn't holding them. I can assure you of that. He's modernizing his country and dollars are better for that than anything else out there. Plus he's reliant across the board on the US to guarantee oil shipments across the globe....even the Chinese and Indians would rather dollars being paid to them.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:36 am to
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Apocalypse fetish:


Nobody said anything about an apocalypse.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68288 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:37 am to
Right after reading this post, I went over to 321gold.com as it's a good economic doom porn aggregator. This is the second link.
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TEOTWAWKI
And I feel fine

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On the 6th of June 1974, the Watergate scandal was in full bloom, the global economy was in the crapper, and I was anxiously awaiting my 13th birthday to become a full-fledged teenager. President Nixon had instituted a national 55mph speed limit, which essentially pissed off everyone who lived west of the Mississippi River. Japan was the China of the day and the Vietnam war was nearing the end of its decade-long stranglehold on Merkin culture.

At that moment, Prince Fahd ibn Abdel Aziz and US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger were sitting down to change the world and create an empire. The Petrodollar Pact, among other things, forced the world to buy oil and gas in US dollars, and created Saudi Aramco, the single most powerful energy company ever.

At the same time, Nixon had ended the Bretton Woods agreement and closed the gold window at the Federal Reserve Bank, thus severing US currency from its Constitutional link to precious metals. This event tied the dollar’s value to energy instead of gold and allowed the dollar to be inflated to unimaginable levels as a debt instrument.

Suddenly, the world desperately needed dollars to buy energy for economic growth, and the US had the power to hand out “aid” and loans — through the IMF created by Bretton Woods — which meant the politicians could go on an economic binge unlike anything seen before, and the inflationary consequences could be exported and amortized over the entire planet.

Fifty years later, the US has $34 trillion in public debt, not to mention the untold trillions in global private debt (namely the Eurodollar) denominated in dollars and tied intricately to US control over energy and the means to pay for it.

And it all ended on Monday.

With the US dollar no longer tied to gold and no longer needed to buy energy, Congress no longer controls global economic growth. Who will buy US Treasuries if they don’t need dollars to buy energy? How will the US be able to sanction its opposition if it cannot hold the dollar up as coercion and incentive? How will Wall Street dominate global finance if the dollar imperative is lost?

The most destructive part is what will happen when nations begin to sell off US Treasuries to diversify their foreign currency reserves and promote their own currencies on a suddenly-level playing field?

The net effect will likely be that the US will no longer be able to export its inflation, and the domestic economy will inflate like a massive balloon, as the politicians scramble to avoid anything sharp. Government spending will perforce come to an inglorious halt, as Congress’ ability to borrow funds dries up. Social safety nets will crater and the country’s socio-economic free ride of the past half century will abruptly end.

On the global stage, US Treasuries will become nearly worthless, and private debt will simply roll over into alternative currencies, such as yuan, rupee and Swiss franc. There will be some amount of turmoil as everyone scrambles to re-denominate contracts and loan agreements, but it will stabilize relatively quickly, especially with the introduction of the BRICS’ new blockchain payment system that circumvents the SWIFT system that has dominated global banking and trade since the introduction of the Petrodollar.

LINK
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:38 am to
Petro dollar demise? You think we’re got a problem with Biden’s hyperinflation now? Wait, you ain’t seen nothing yet. To you Biden groupies, the ones who hate the America of my father, the ones who hate Donald Trump almost as much as his MAGA supporters you will finally get what you’ve always wanted - the death of America.
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