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re: SARS-COV-2 Vaccines and Neurodegenerative Disease
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:09 am to theunknownknight
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:09 am to theunknownknight
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But this is a really fair question and one that I have been pondering a while. My only answer so far is that the vaxx seems to propagate the negative physiological affects longer especially in younger people.
IMO it seems like an error to compare the spiked protein connected to the body of the covid virus versus the spiked protein produced by your own cells via the mRNA vaccine.
Yes both spiked proteins have the same amino acid chains. But one is connected to the virus body. The question is does the spiked protein connected to the virus body have the same pathologies as a free spiked protein floating in your blood stream or cell cytoplasm?
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Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:09 am to BuzzSaw 12
Don't post bullshite articles. Morons might take them seriously.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 10:10 am to BuzzSaw 12
Anesthesia so I don't really have patient encounters conducive to vaccine discussion. Altho It's generally recommended with some rare exceptions.
I've gotten 2 doses Pfizer no booster. Just doing what's been required I probably wouldn't have gotten any if it were up to me. I'm not some vax nut, I'm just not biting the shiny hook of fear propaganda like you did. I certainly wouldn't harp on the vaccine for young healthy folks but I'm also not going to pretend the vax is some super dangerous compound that your fear porn suggests it is.
You did a good job trying to find faults in my expertise but refuse to acknowledge that you are citing someone with no related expertise. And it's obvious they have no expertise when they are claiming wildly inaccurate things like the spike acts like a prion.
I've gotten 2 doses Pfizer no booster. Just doing what's been required I probably wouldn't have gotten any if it were up to me. I'm not some vax nut, I'm just not biting the shiny hook of fear propaganda like you did. I certainly wouldn't harp on the vaccine for young healthy folks but I'm also not going to pretend the vax is some super dangerous compound that your fear porn suggests it is.
You did a good job trying to find faults in my expertise but refuse to acknowledge that you are citing someone with no related expertise. And it's obvious they have no expertise when they are claiming wildly inaccurate things like the spike acts like a prion.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 11:06 am to David_DJS
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There's a glaring difference between Right and Left fear porn. The Left's is ginned up to take everyone's money, individual rights and self-determination. The Right's is ginned up to keep the Left from taking everybody's money, individual rights and self-determination. Huge, huge difference.
You are ignorant if you don’t think the right is taking money as well. They are both the same on opposite sides of the spectrum. Question everything. The answer is normally in between.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 12:58 pm to flyAU
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You are ignorant if you don’t think the right is taking money as well. They are both the same on opposite sides of the spectrum. Question everything. The answer is normally in between.
I used the term "Right" rather than "Republicans" for a reason.
Moreover, money is only one of the two reasons I mentioned. The simple and obvious fact is that there are huge differences between Right and Left fear porn.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:05 pm to David_DJS
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obvious fact is that there are huge differences between Right and Left fear porn.
Left: you’ll die without a vaccine! Let me share the people who have died who weren’t vaxxed! I have no idea if it actually killed them because of the vax status but it fits my narrative.
Right: you’ll die because of the vaccine! let me share the people who have died who were vaxxed! I have no idea if it actually killed them because of the vax status but it fits my narrative.
Same fear porn.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:32 pm to flyAU
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Left: you’ll die without a vaccine! Let me share the people who have died who weren’t vaxxed! I have no idea if it actually killed them because of the vax status but it fits my narrative.
Right: you’ll die because of the vaccine! let me share the people who have died who were vaxxed! I have no idea if it actually killed them because of the vax status but it fits my narrative.
Same fear porn.
Take the next step. What's the purpose of the narratives?
The Left's purpose is to take shite - power, control, etc.
The Right's purpose it to keep the Left from taking power and control.
You really don't see a difference there?
Also, consider the sources. We both agree they're both hyperbolic, but the Left's bullshite comes from governments and industry. People and entities with power.
The Right's bullshite is found on internet message boards.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:42 pm to GumboPot
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IMO it seems like an error to compare the spiked protein connected to the body of the covid virus versus the spiked protein produced by your own cells via the mRNA vaccine.
Yes both spiked proteins have the same amino acid chains. But one is connected to the virus body. The question is does the spiked protein connected to the virus body have the same pathologies as a free spiked protein floating in your blood stream or cell cytoplasm?
If I understand it right, when our cells are coopted to produce a covid spike protein, I don't believe the covid spike is released, but remains as a part of the cell that made it like many other surface protein on cells.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 1:51 pm to AMS
I wouldn't classify me sharing a clinical article that has 45 different clinical references as me "biting the shiny hook of fear propaganda." I was simply sharing a pretty well sourced article discussing potential health outcome for people who have taken the jab/boosters. You can decide on your own how you feel about the article without attacking the one who shared it.
I work in healthcare myself so I wasn't necessarily trying to play gotcha with your "expertise" but was more just pointing out where your conclusion was contradicted in the article in the event you didn't read the whole thing.
One thing I've find interesting in this whole vax debate is among the people I know who chose to get vaxxed they are very resistant to any information that might suggest that they have made a mistake and have potentially put themselves at risk for future health issues. I get it. That's human nature. They'd prefer not to think about it. All but one regret getting the shot and the only one that has received a booster is the only one I know that doesn't regret it. Of course, she gets her news from The View and CNN so that explains a lot. On the healthcare side of things I find that most doctors are just going with the flow. They do whatever the government tells them to do when it comes to treating covid or encouraging the jab because in my opinion it allows them to function with a clear conscious because if something goes wrong for their patients in the future they can fall back on "I was just doing what I was told." There are a handful of doctors that will buck the trend and go out of their way to investigate things for themselves so that they can help their patients the best way possible even if that goes against what the government tells them. Pre covid I use to think it was about 25% of doctors that were like this. Post covid I would guess maybe 10%. So me asking you about your specialty etc... was more than just curiosity. With you being an anesthesiologist unless you have a private practice (typically pain mgt) outside of the time you spend in the OR you aren't advising any patients on taking the vax one way or the other so I guess your conscious is clear when to comes to others but like most people I know who took the jab you seem pretty defensive regarding anything suggesting there could be health complications from the jab now or down the road.
I work in healthcare myself so I wasn't necessarily trying to play gotcha with your "expertise" but was more just pointing out where your conclusion was contradicted in the article in the event you didn't read the whole thing.
One thing I've find interesting in this whole vax debate is among the people I know who chose to get vaxxed they are very resistant to any information that might suggest that they have made a mistake and have potentially put themselves at risk for future health issues. I get it. That's human nature. They'd prefer not to think about it. All but one regret getting the shot and the only one that has received a booster is the only one I know that doesn't regret it. Of course, she gets her news from The View and CNN so that explains a lot. On the healthcare side of things I find that most doctors are just going with the flow. They do whatever the government tells them to do when it comes to treating covid or encouraging the jab because in my opinion it allows them to function with a clear conscious because if something goes wrong for their patients in the future they can fall back on "I was just doing what I was told." There are a handful of doctors that will buck the trend and go out of their way to investigate things for themselves so that they can help their patients the best way possible even if that goes against what the government tells them. Pre covid I use to think it was about 25% of doctors that were like this. Post covid I would guess maybe 10%. So me asking you about your specialty etc... was more than just curiosity. With you being an anesthesiologist unless you have a private practice (typically pain mgt) outside of the time you spend in the OR you aren't advising any patients on taking the vax one way or the other so I guess your conscious is clear when to comes to others but like most people I know who took the jab you seem pretty defensive regarding anything suggesting there could be health complications from the jab now or down the road.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:30 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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Through the prion-like action of the spike protein, we will likely see an alarming increase in several major neurodegenerative diseases, including Parkinson’s disease, CKD, ALS and Alzheimer’s, and these diseases will show up with increasing prevalence among younger and younger populations, in years to come.
completely anecdotal, but my father was diagnosed with Parkinson's in April. He was vaxxed in March. He was 79 so the diagnoses shouldn't be considered related at this point. however he declined extremely rapidly with Lewy body dementia. he drove to Destin in September and he died 2 weeks ago this Tuesday. he wasn't able to walk or complete any tasks or even attempt to carry on a conversation.and was constantly having hallucinations and delusions. glad he's not suffering anymore but all the doctors were pretty perplexed by his rapid deterioration.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:38 pm to Auburn1968
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I don't believe the covid spike is released, but remains as a part of the cell that made it like many other surface protein on cells.
They are release when the cell dies. The fact that the spiked protein becomes part of your own cell on the cell surface is probably what is causing autoimmune issues.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 2:51 pm to AMS
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AMS
One day you have to humble yourself
Posted on 1/13/22 at 3:53 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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I wouldn't classify me sharing a clinical article that has 45 different clinical references as me "biting the shiny hook of fear propaganda."
I would because it isnt a clinical article at all. its a computer scientist who wrote a biased research paper entirely outside of their expertise.
the writer has 0/45 references with clinical evidence supporting her suggestions. despite having 45 references the writer still made inaccurate claims, like the spike protein is like a prion. throughout the article the author relies on an entirely unsupported assumption that the spike protein alone is equivalent/interchangeable with entire viral genome + infection which was the context of the studies she references. its quite a suspect assumption that an isolated protein would have equivalent implications as a whole viral genome with infection. this is the type of nonsense I might expect from an article by someone with no level of expertise in this domain.
the bias writing style in the article is a dead giveaway.
things like 'there will likely" be an increase in Neurodegen disease due to the prion-like spike protein', while failing to acknowledge those diseases were already increasing before COVID.
the author asserts that the lag time in disease development is a convenient defense for big pharma to cover up its role increasing ND diseases, ironically the same convenience is afforded to this article's arguments. if you only read this article and in 30 years you look back and say oh hey ND diseases increased, it mustve been those damn vaccines... but you entirely failed to account for the fact that those diseases were already increasing. guess she missed that part in her 45 references.
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you seem pretty defensive regarding anything suggesting there could be health complications from the jab now or down the road.
not so much defensive as I don't believe and blindly defend unsubstantiated fear propaganda like you do with this article. in fact you seem defensive of the article investigating my expertise for criticizing obvious bias and inaccuracies while implying im one of the docs who wont investigate anything, just do what im told, or am victim of confirmation bias.
the article is ripe with bias and fear propaganda despite its 45 references. if you step outside of your own confirmation bias you might be able to acknowledge this.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:04 pm to BuzzSaw 12
They should ban anyone who types the word safe in any vaccine thread. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:13 pm to tgerb8
Condolences regarding your father. The rapid progression of the Parkinson's is bizarre and certainly makes you wonder given the context of the article. My father was also vaxxed in March. Was as healthy as one could be for being 76 but immediately started having health issues after the 2nd shot. Rapidly increasing fatigue issues followed by aches and pain. This progressed for several months until he was hospitalized in August with severe pain and blood work that was off the charts on just about every metric. Thru a total of 3 separate hospital stays of weeks at a time and being scanned from head to toe and tested for every cancer and any other disease they could think of they finally told him he had an unknown autoimmune disorder. Later that was changed to a diagnosis of vasculitis which is a rare autoimmune disorder that can attack multiple organs in the body. He's not doing well and I would be surprised if he's still with us this time next year. Needless to say he regrets like hell he ever took the jab.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:23 pm to BuzzSaw 12
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I was simply sharing a pretty well sourced article discussing potential health outcome for people who have taken the jab/boosters.
It was very stupid even if it was sourced. Some parts were utterly painful to read.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:31 pm to GumboPot
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But one is connected to the virus body. The question is does the spiked protein connected to the virus body have the same pathologies as a free spiked protein floating in your blood stream or cell cytoplasm?
The spike protein connected to the actual pathogen is going to have a more severe course than any free-floating pyrogenic material. The process that the mRNA vaccines attempt to imitate are just natural processes antigen-presenting cells do for all types of pathogens.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:46 pm to GumboPot
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They are release when the cell dies. The fact that the spiked protein becomes part of your own cell on the cell surface is probably what is causing autoimmune issues.
The CDC described the sequence of events where the injected mRNA enters a cell and commands it to express a covid spike. They say the cell then quickly dissipates the mRNA.
What they don't say is that the immune system sees the foreign protein and attacks and kills the cell along with the covid spike. It's a crap shoot as to where and what cells the mRNA lands.
This post was edited on 1/13/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 1/13/22 at 4:52 pm to crazy4lsu
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It was very stupid even if it was sourced. Some parts were utterly painful to read.
muh spike protein has a glycine zipper therefore is just like prions!
muh amyloid = neurodegenerative disease!!
muh elderly people have suppressed immune function = vaccination exhausted cell progenitor lines.
muh pregnant ladies with herpes are 2x more likely to have kid with autism = pregos should be hesitant about the covid vaccine
better not point out how nonsense these suggestions are because the author had 45 references!!! lmao she dead arse had 45 references and is using them to say nonsense shite like people should be hesitant to get the vax because herpes during pregnancy has links to 2x prevalence of autism....
author would be better off sticking with computer science. theres science fiction novels with more compelling arguments and evidence than this garbage article.
Posted on 1/13/22 at 5:01 pm to crazy4lsu
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It was very stupid even if it was sourced. Some parts were utterly painful to read.
How is it unlike the utter bullshite about the virus itself that the CDC and about 90% of the medical industry has issued over the last two years? I wish you MDs had been as aggressive batting that bullshite back as you are this article.
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