re: SARS-COV-2 Vaccines and Neurodegenerative Disease

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How is it unlike the utter bullshite about the virus itself that the CDC and about 90% of the medical industry has issued over the last two years? I wish you MDs had been as aggressive batting that bullshite back as you are this article.

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Well, I don't know any doctor who really supports what the CDC has done the last two years. And fighting the bullshite with much of the pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry at large might require certain things which are political non-starters to begin with. The criticism of Fauci from the AIDS epidemic was that he was only interested in ensuring the gains of public research were siphoned into private hands. It would also require something like ending our insanely stupid database system, where companies use publicly funded research, publish it, and then charge universities and other institutions lots of money in order to use that research. That is one reason there is a paucity of information about how the immune system works, because most of the research the last ten years is still mostly behind paywalls.

Secondly, the issue is that the principles of immunology are still sound, but many of us have privately and publicly disagreed with the use of vaccine patents, for no other reason than to ensure certain companies see windfalls. Even the epidemiological playbook that has been used has seen features of it modified to ensure private interests are served, which is a far cry from the model used during the smallpox vaccination campaign, where initially the USSR and the US donated most of the vaccines, but by the end of the campaign, most of the vaccines were produced by developing countries where smallpox was still endemic.

As much as I'm driven by a love for the molecular aspects of immunology, the amount I have written has convinced almost no one, and I don't suspect I would have been any more convincing if my knowledge base was more about the intricacies of modern scientific bureaucracy and criticizing that apparatus.

I have nothing to offer this thread other than this: My Dad passed away from ALS in April of 2020 after a 5 year fight. That disease is absolutely terrifying and if somehow or someway it’s confirmed that vaccines contribute to an uptick of cases (ALS is very very rare and mostly hits the veteran community) than the vaccines should be stopped immediately. Oh, and frick fauci for pushing the twin evils of funding GoF research and the vaccines onto the public. The little man is evil.

sorry for delayed response.

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Somewhat fair. I don't know if you're fully refuting the point they're making or just re-directing to the general prevalence of glycine zippers without tackling their argument directly. They use it in a specific context with relation to PrP, but I don't have the background to take this further.

They also make subsequent points about effects on the spleen over several paragraphs with a lot of technical tidbits we haven't addressed... but which I think is probably too time consuming for us to cover... though I'd welcome your input.

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my point was there is no evidence that the spike protein could behave like a prion just because it has a glycine zipper. glycine zippers are vital to life, and common yet prions are ~0.0001% kind of rare. the article is just saying they both have that motif therefore "we will likely see an alarming increase" in ND diseases. there is 0 evidence to support that suggestion outside of they both have glycine zippers.

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One of the main concerns with the vaccines is that we face a potentially never ending series of boosters. *If* it were a matter of getting a one time dose of a vaccine (which still might cause various diseases / damage based on the individual's genetics... as vaccines sometimes do) I would cede the point to you, while still maintaining the vax is not a safe, proven product as the gov't and various leaders say (without proof... as that takes time, as we discussed). That, however, is not how things are playing out. Each new booster does potentially add to the aggregate damage of previous jabs, and that *might* push the scales over time towards disease.

As you say, both genetics and environment, plus chronic inflammation play a role. Maybe I'd make out fine, but I have a friend with Crohn's who has taken every shot, and still contracted every main version of covid (original, delta and omicron so far)... Maybe the added stresses of another shot every 4 months will push him over the hump and he gets Alzheimer's or similar in 10 years. That's speculation, of course, but it's something the gov't and health officials should be giving some thought to... And I'm pretty sure they aren't since they are somewhat falsely saying an unproven product is safe.

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decent line of thought, but again not supported by any evidence in this article. she references studies that analyzed covid infection on those disease states, and magically assumed the vaccine has the exact same impact as covid on those cells, which is a highly dubious assumption.
its as scientific as studying someone who only eats dominos supreme pizzas and gets fat, then suggesting mushrooms make people fat. obviously the fact that pizza has dough cheese and meat, not just mushrooms alone.

chrons is known to be related to increased risk of alzheimers. i would be skeptical to assign the blame to vaccines when there is already an existing and better supported explanation. I would be open to frequently repeated vaccinations over many years being a contributing source of inflammation, but that too is different than saying the vaccine causes increases in those diseases. the article suggests the vaccines "will likely cause an alarming increase". but only referenced studies on the actual COVID infection not the the vaccine.

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If they stressed "we will see alarming increases" then I'd agree with you that's sensationalist and they don't have the proof yet

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its literally in the article summary, quoted by OP on page 1.

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Anyway, I'm calling it a night. fwiw, I thought you were overly dismissive to the articles initially, but in your replies to me I have found you to be generally reasonable and fair-- even if I don't fully buy everything you say. Sometimes there's a lack of civility in this place, so I wanted to mention that since I care less about being right than getting to the truth.

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I appreciate that and I hope this post was maybe a little more selling on why the article is nonsense. the studies referenced are legit, but almost every connection and suggestion linking to those references falls victim to the mushroom=pizza logic, or is based off a flawed understanding of the references.